"Modern Classics" 40 minute race series

"Modern Classics" 40 minute race series

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wildman0609

885 posts

175 months

Tuesday 16th October 2012
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didn't the boxster go to market in 1996? so should be eligible anyway.

andy97

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4,691 posts

221 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Yes, but the 3.2S didn't arrive until year 2000, that's why that version is eligible with "grandfather rights" from "Deutsche Marque".

Cheburator mk2

2,973 posts

198 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Andy, one criticism on a slightly different tangent - I raced in the Future Classics in 2010 with my 928 and as a novice had great fun. I even came 2nd in class at Cadwell of all places... I plan to be back in 2013 now that my car is almost finished.

Pitstops...

I think something needs to be done about them - as they are organised at present, the reglament actively discourages the use of HANS. If you are on your own, trying to strap oneself in the car after a mandatory pit stop takes ages and most lone drivers don't bother with a HANS as it makes things even more difficult. Given how beneficial for safety HANS is, and how widely used it is or outright compulsory as in Germany, I think you may need to look into pitstops and how they are organised in the future.

I am not trying to be difficult, but I have one body and life, and I am pretty determined to keep it in one piece with all means available...

andy97

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4,691 posts

221 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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I am a HANS user and I understand the point, although I usually have help from someone.

I'll raise it and see what can be done. It's a difficult one.

NJH

3,021 posts

208 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Find a mate with a similar car and run as a team, this seems to be the safest way to avoid the rush with the belts and potentially seat adjustment. I was really surprised to see this, I didn't even realise that it has been in the arrangements for years.

andy97

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4,691 posts

221 months

Friday 9th November 2012
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The "Modern Classics" series regs are now available on the CSCC website sites. Any questions drop us a line.

Card

18 posts

147 months

Saturday 10th November 2012
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So as I read them, my BMW M3 E46 cannot enter as I think they were in production from Oct 2000

If so where they allowed before it changed when it was a series for German cars?

andy97

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4,691 posts

221 months

Saturday 10th November 2012
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I need to check for a definitive answer but if an E46 M3 raced in Deutsche Marques (and I think it did) then it will be allowed in Modern Classics. CSCC do want to retain the support and loyalty of its Deutsche Marques members.

Card

18 posts

147 months

Saturday 10th November 2012
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Thanks as I would like to try and we may even bring two cars the other an e30 M3 which must be okay.

andy97

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4,691 posts

221 months

Saturday 10th November 2012
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E30 M3 are eligible for both Modern Classics and the existing Future Classics series - you could enter both races. I'll get back to you on the E46 next week, when I can check with the office.

Carnage

886 posts

231 months

Saturday 10th November 2012
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Any decisions on the classes yet Andy?

I have to say its going to be challenging, what with the new Britcar series and the Roadsports copies also starting next year. I would hope that the 1990 - 2000 cut off is enforced - with the greatest respect to the poster above, given that the E36 M3's are already running 400 bhp, I think this series will lose its USP if E46 M3's, JCW Mini's, etc, are allowed in.

Card

18 posts

147 months

Monday 12th November 2012
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I do understand the worry about very powerful M3 E46's entering the series, but also there is the point of trying to make as many cars eligible as possible to make a great series.

The main reason I am looking to try this is that my car is not running that much power.

I did the Oulton Park round of the Classic Thunder and really enjoyed it, but at the same time it was a bit of a waste as I had no chance of keeping up with the cars running 2 nearly 3 times my power. So I can see both sides of the argument.

To be honest there were other E36 BMW's that where more powerful than me and there were a few Escorts running more power than me.(all older cars)

If my car is not allowed then I understand and will respect that decision and probably go elsewhere or maybe run in Classic thunder, but I go racing to have run and a race, not to prove who has the most power.

If I do run and it is deemed I have too much power (unlikely) then I will happily move to Classic Thunder or elsewhere. Although we have two cars as mentioned before the E46 and the E30 and really want to be able to race then on the same weekend. However if this is not possible we will have find something else.

On a final note and I don’t want to be to critical, there always seems to be new series popping up, when there are plenty of current series with low grids already, and then they put a restriction on what can run in it and subsequently wonder why it does not succeed.

I would have run in the Deutsche Marque this year but was told at the beginning of the season that I was not allowed as I had run in the BMW Kumho championship (and the car had a standard engine in it and was heavy).

Carnage

886 posts

231 months

Monday 12th November 2012
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Nicely put and thanks for your views. I take your point entirely re power levels compared to E36's.

wildman0609

885 posts

175 months

Monday 12th November 2012
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Card said:
I would have run in the Deutsche Marque this year but was told at the beginning of the season that I was not allowed as I had run in the BMW Kumho championship (and the car had a standard engine in it and was heavy).
the kumho rule was mental.


andy97

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4,691 posts

221 months

Monday 12th November 2012
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Card said:
I do understand the worry about very powerful M3 E46's entering the series, but also there is the point of trying to make as many cars eligible as possible to make a great series.
That's the point about changing the Deutsche Marque series to Modern Classics - getting as many eligible cars out as possible.

E46 M3 should be allowed; one did run last year in Deutsche Marque with Giles Groombridge.

I do understand the concern about power levels and modern cars but rewarding the loyalty of our members is important to us and CSCC are very keen to retain the loyalty of those DM racers that raced with us previously, hence giving them "Grandfather rights".

Notwithstanding this, the Modern Classics series will largely concentrate on pre year 2000 cars but any of these could have high power depending on the size of ones wallet! That power has still got to be controlled and stopped, though, on tyres and brakes restricted by the need for standard size and shape bodyshells. There is also the success penalty for overall winners, which is retained throughout the season.

No series regs are perfect but i hope that this series will attract an eclectic mix of racers, including some smaller capacity, lighter cars such as Elises, Ginettas and MGFs that can maybe indulge in some giant killing!

As for the classes, they will be:

Upto 1600cc
1601-1800
1801-2500
2501-3200
3200+
4WD Turbo cars

Edited by andy97 on Monday 12th November 17:54

Carnage

886 posts

231 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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andy97 said:
As for the classes, they will be:

Upto 1600cc
1601-1800
1801-2500
2501-3200
3200+
4WD Turbo cars

Edited by andy97 on Monday 12th November 17:54
Cheers Andy.

snowen250

1,090 posts

182 months

Wednesday 14th November 2012
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Im looking forward to seeing this series next year, i believe May is being mooted at a date for you guys to visit Brands, and after missing the last 2 years meetings there i wont miss this one!

This has the potential to be a good series, with lots of eligable cars and the format is obviously a winner, the other, bar perhaps deustche marque, series have flourished.

why was the no Kumho cars rule in place though? I never quite understood it.

Simon

andy97

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4,691 posts

221 months

Thursday 15th November 2012
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snowen250 said:
why was the no Kumho cars rule in place though? I never quite understood it.

Simon
Agreed, that's why it has been changed.

snowen250

1,090 posts

182 months

Thursday 15th November 2012
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Excellent! The cscc do seem to be a club who listen to their members

majordad

3,600 posts

196 months

Thursday 22nd November 2012
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My day just brightened up, an email with the provisional 2013 dates arrived earlier !