"Modern Classics" 40 minute race series
Discussion
Cheburator mk2 said:
Will be back in the Porsche 928 or an E46 M3 shared with my brother... Just wanting to make sure cars are ready in time...
P.S. Still think forcing the single drivers to come out of the car during pitstops discourages Hans use if the driver has no helpers to hand...
Cherub - there are plenty of helpers around, just got to ask them.P.S. Still think forcing the single drivers to come out of the car during pitstops discourages Hans use if the driver has no helpers to hand...
In most of the CSCC Series the tyre choice tends to be between Yoko A048s, Toyo 888s or Dunlop Dirrezzas depending on size and budget. I don't think that there is one favoured tyre over all the others.
The Porsche runners often use Michelin Cups because they can then use the same tyre in the PCGB series, however, I understand that the PCGB series may be switching tyre supplier but not sure whether thats for this year or next.
The Porsche runners often use Michelin Cups because they can then use the same tyre in the PCGB series, however, I understand that the PCGB series may be switching tyre supplier but not sure whether thats for this year or next.
20 cars for the first race of the new season (and for the new series) which was very encouraging. I think everyone enjoyed themeselves and driving standards were excellent.
There was a great mix of cars out and some excellent performances. Unofficial driver of the day was Tom Roche for me who won his class despite having to get an engine from Essex for his MX5 Mk1 between Qualifying and the race and then fit it.
It was a shame that the Saab broke its driveshaft in qualifying as that was beautiful, unusual and has a great history.
There is a great basis for the series to build on and I hope that we will see some more cars out in the lower capacity classes, particularly, in the near future. It would be great to see some more MX5, MR2, Lotus Elise and Ginetta G20 type cars out to add to those that are already playing.
There was a great mix of cars out and some excellent performances. Unofficial driver of the day was Tom Roche for me who won his class despite having to get an engine from Essex for his MX5 Mk1 between Qualifying and the race and then fit it.
It was a shame that the Saab broke its driveshaft in qualifying as that was beautiful, unusual and has a great history.
There is a great basis for the series to build on and I hope that we will see some more cars out in the lower capacity classes, particularly, in the near future. It would be great to see some more MX5, MR2, Lotus Elise and Ginetta G20 type cars out to add to those that are already playing.
Mark Benson said:
We're giving it some serious consideration for later in the year (2 of us share the car, so it makes perfect sense). Can't commit to much at the moment as we want to iron out the bugs (which means track time, which neither of us have had the time for so far this year), but we like the look of this series.
We'll probably try and get to a meeting in the not-too-distant future for a chat and a nose round the paddock.
MarkWe'll probably try and get to a meeting in the not-too-distant future for a chat and a nose round the paddock.
Let us know by PM which meeting you want to go to and I'll see if I can get you a free ticket. We can meet up and have a chat.
I am delighted the Woof and Co really enjoyed themselves and I hope that we see them out with us throughout the year - tell your Boxster mates and bring them along too, LoL. That said the guys in MX5s and Elises etc etc are just as important to the club and we really want them to have a good time too. We need to build more interest in these classes so that they have their own class battles (and a giant killing opportunity, too).
Really disappointed that I am not going to be there but unfortunately I have to work all weekend to help a client meet a deadline. It's phenomenal that the modern classics series has so many entries at this stage - I hope that you all enjoy the racing and I look forward to seeing you out next time. The office staff will look after you well I'm sure.
woof said:
Hey chaps
I had an off into Surtees. Not sure if i had a failure or my ambition exceeded my talent - but broken toe arm with some minor body damage.
Lot's of positives from the weekend. Great start, good race craft throughout. Traffic was hard work, sorry for the rub i gave the 968 into Druids.
It was impossible to compete against the BMW's - 2secs a lap faster and the 30sec success penalty meant 5th would've been the best possible result.
We're not actually out again with CSCC till maybe August.
(Engine was fine - it was just a scheduled re build)
Shame that you are not out for a while.I had an off into Surtees. Not sure if i had a failure or my ambition exceeded my talent - but broken toe arm with some minor body damage.
Lot's of positives from the weekend. Great start, good race craft throughout. Traffic was hard work, sorry for the rub i gave the 968 into Druids.
It was impossible to compete against the BMW's - 2secs a lap faster and the 30sec success penalty meant 5th would've been the best possible result.
We're not actually out again with CSCC till maybe August.
(Engine was fine - it was just a scheduled re build)
The majority of the BMWs should be quicker than you really - they are in a different class for that reason. You should only be fighting with the 3 litre BMWs & 968s etc.
The 3 litrre BMWs are in Class D along with the Boxsters and 968s etc. All over 3 litre BMWs are in the next Class up, E, so you were not in the same class fight.
Aero is always a bone of contention. I wasn't at Brands but the Moulton-Smith car, for eg at Snetterton, is deemed to have aero that is acceptable. A Porsche 996 can have the GT3 Mk1 aero kit fitted as its available to buy from a Porsche dealer as an option.
We have not allowed in several cars whose aero is deemed to be outside the regs. The club has always had a little latitude and some will criticise this but we take the view that cars have to be in the spitit of the regs & that can be open to interpretation. We don't enmploy eligibility scrutineers in order to save cost and hassle and try to pass those savings on to our mebers with good VfM entry fees. We'd rather have a full grid than a small grid of cars that are measured to within an inch of their lives. It's club motorsport so we try to be as inclusive as possible.
We also have the penalty system for outright winners so things even themselves up after a while.
People do get exercised about aero but no one minds that our regs allow engine development.
Hopefully it all works out well enough in the end & everyone enjoys their racing with us. There is no pretence that we have any sort of equivelance formula, its a simple class system based on crude capacity breaks only.
Aero is always a bone of contention. I wasn't at Brands but the Moulton-Smith car, for eg at Snetterton, is deemed to have aero that is acceptable. A Porsche 996 can have the GT3 Mk1 aero kit fitted as its available to buy from a Porsche dealer as an option.
We have not allowed in several cars whose aero is deemed to be outside the regs. The club has always had a little latitude and some will criticise this but we take the view that cars have to be in the spitit of the regs & that can be open to interpretation. We don't enmploy eligibility scrutineers in order to save cost and hassle and try to pass those savings on to our mebers with good VfM entry fees. We'd rather have a full grid than a small grid of cars that are measured to within an inch of their lives. It's club motorsport so we try to be as inclusive as possible.
We also have the penalty system for outright winners so things even themselves up after a while.
People do get exercised about aero but no one minds that our regs allow engine development.
Hopefully it all works out well enough in the end & everyone enjoys their racing with us. There is no pretence that we have any sort of equivelance formula, its a simple class system based on crude capacity breaks only.
woof said:
It's not my battle as I said we're not due to do that much more this year anyway but I do hope the series is jiggled around a bit and perhaps it's not just the winners that get the success penalty.
Nothing is ever perfect and its impossible to please everyone all of the time. The MC regs were "jiggled around a bit" to answer to concerns and criticisms of the Deutsche Marque crowd when that was the series. ie the club listened to its members. The class splits were specifically adjusted to keep the Boxsters and 968s separate from the 3.2 BMWS as the Porsche racers made it clear they didn't want to race against them. They aren't now, they are in a separate class. See you later in the year, hopefully.
houlbt said:
The Card car was deemed in eligible for running the E36 supertourer rear wing at Snetterton - to my knowledge this component was never made available on the E46 so is outside of the regs of the CSCC Modern Classics as I understand them.
The car with the craziest & most questionable aero was probably that 993RSR but I don't really mind either way, just nice to see a car like that out there.
The Card car was, sadly, not deemed eligible at Snetterton and ran as an Invitation Class car. It has to change its aero to run in MC in the future.The car with the craziest & most questionable aero was probably that 993RSR but I don't really mind either way, just nice to see a car like that out there.
The 993 RSR has a body kit that is eligible because its a dealer available option for a 993 road car in that form.
Entry fees are largely determined by circuit hire fees - the biggest single element of the weekends costs by far - high hire fees = high entry fees. I don't know the details by I am guessing that Combe is more expensive to hire than Cadwell?
As far as I am aware, Pembrey is a double header for all series - 1 race on each day. The aim is to encourage as many people to attend as possible, given the travel. I think there may be a plan for a BBQ on the sat evening but don't quote me on that!
As far as I am aware, Pembrey is a double header for all series - 1 race on each day. The aim is to encourage as many people to attend as possible, given the travel. I think there may be a plan for a BBQ on the sat evening but don't quote me on that!
BAZZ69 said:
Bloody hell.I dont believe it,our leader is actually going to be racing with us at donington on saturday. Luke and i are really looking forward to it. The best track in the country. Its a good grid,its a shame we dont get big grids like this at all the tracks. Se you there folks. Bazz
Yes its true, I am coming out to play. Be gentle with me. It will be my first race in 18 months.I have bought a budget spec Porsche 924S from Ireland to race. It was last used in the Irish Porsche Open series and was originally a PCGB Class 3 car, so pretty basic and nothing to adjust/ confuse!
I have had a scrutineer mate of mine check it over and had his list of jobs acted upon so the car is recommissioned and ready to go (Irish scrutineering standards appear to be different to our own!). Its a bit scruffy but what the hell? I had it out at Mallory on a track day yesterday and it performed fine.
I doubt that It will be that quick against the BMWs and Honda S2000's in my class (my 150 Bhp Vs their 250!) but I am really looking forward to racing again, although I know I will be nervous as hell on Saturday. I think that it will prove to be a good low budget level car to race.
NJH is also right about the grid sizes and the number of Porsches coming out in both Modern Classics and Future Classics. FC is full and so the 5 reserves for that race will get to race with us in MC giving MC about 23 cars.
Hi Dave
I didn't mean to be rude but there were certainly some oddities with the car - the hi viz light was wired up to the brakes, the wiring was messed with, the exterior extinguisher button wiring had been cut so no external way of operating the extinguisher, the extinguisher was ancient, and this was all on a car that had relatively recent scrutineering stickers! Nothing too difficult to sort though and I enjoyed it at a Mallory track day last weekend and am looking forward to driving it again this Saturday.
I didn't mean to be rude but there were certainly some oddities with the car - the hi viz light was wired up to the brakes, the wiring was messed with, the exterior extinguisher button wiring had been cut so no external way of operating the extinguisher, the extinguisher was ancient, and this was all on a car that had relatively recent scrutineering stickers! Nothing too difficult to sort though and I enjoyed it at a Mallory track day last weekend and am looking forward to driving it again this Saturday.
woof said:
Was hoping that I could have done 750mc on Saturday, then Roadsports on Sunday at Donington but sadly both on the same day
I assume you meant MC on Saturday at Donington and 750 Roadsports at Silverstone. Yes, a shame that you could not be out with us but such is life, I think there's about 3 people racing with 750 that are also CSCC members. MC has a good grid. At the last count it was 24 MC cars, including some new ones to the series, plus the 5 reserves from the full Future Classics grid. I have bought a cheap 924S for the 1801-2500cc class. The car is a simple spec - built originally to PCGB Class 3 so nothing is adjustable and standard power. The car handles well and its cheap motorsport (hopefully). My local Porsche breaker has already said that if I blow the engine I can have one off him for £350. A lot to be said for that!
As for the weather, the local TV weather forecast has just reported the likelihood of thunderstorms and flash floods for tomorrow. Nice for my first race in 18 months, and first in a RWD car for about 6 years. Not.
As for the weather, the local TV weather forecast has just reported the likelihood of thunderstorms and flash floods for tomorrow. Nice for my first race in 18 months, and first in a RWD car for about 6 years. Not.
A9XXC said:
This one I believe-
Yes, that's the one. I really enjoyed my first race for a long while. We had some electrical niggles and brake issues but the car handled well. It only has a standard engine and i'm not that quick but what the hell, it was good to be out there racing. It's cheap motorsport really and I had fun and that's the main thing.
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