"Modern Classics" 40 minute race series
Discussion
andy97 said:
woof said:
Autosport rated the series 5 stars in the latest issue 
Yes, I was very pleased with that, and I didn't even pay them!woof said:
Will be out in a few rounds as there's quite a few clashes with the PCGB series.
Or you could do all of the Dunlop Production Porsche series races AND MC (on the same tyres!) at the same CSCC meetings and get plenty of track time for your (travel) money, and just do the non clashing PCGB and/ or Roadsports races! Edited by andy97 on Monday 6th January 15:31
Might have to so the co owner can get his Nat A - are DPPS races on the same day - the first round is Saturday 12th April for both ?
andy97 said:
Yes, we had a couple out at Brands Hatch and another couple out at Snetterton at the end of the season. Great cars for the 1600-1800cc class and quick enough to trouble many other cars in the bigger engined classes. Can't be many more cars about with the sort of performance (and reliability) these cars can give for £5-6K. Would be great to get a few out regularly.
Regretting selling mine, but then MC didn't exist then.
Thanks Andy - what are the regs on running a G20 in a higher engine class?Regretting selling mine, but then MC didn't exist then.
Thanks
Rich
rralston said:
Thanks Andy - what are the regs on running a G20 in a higher engine class?
Thanks
Rich
Rich, the engine has to be the same type as fitted originally, so in this case a Zetec. If you have a 2 litre Zetec fitted then you go into the 1800cc-2500cc Class, where the car will still be very competitive against the others in the class due to the low weight and low frontal area. Others in this class include BMW 325, Mazda MX5 Mk3, Porsche 944, VX220 and me in my lowly 924S!Thanks
Rich
andy97 said:
Rich, the engine has to be the same type as fitted originally, so in this case a Zetec. If you have a 2 litre Zetec fitted then you go into the 1800cc-2500cc Class, where the car will still be very competitive against the others in the class due to the low weight and low frontal area. Others in this class include BMW 325, Mazda MX5 Mk3, Porsche 944, VX220 and me in my lowly 924S!
Aha excellent, we're running a 2 litre Zetec so we could run in the higher class. Mark - Just need to redo the brakes, game on
Rich
rralston said:
andy97 said:
Rich, the engine has to be the same type as fitted originally, so in this case a Zetec. If you have a 2 litre Zetec fitted then you go into the 1800cc-2500cc Class, where the car will still be very competitive against the others in the class due to the low weight and low frontal area. Others in this class include BMW 325, Mazda MX5 Mk3, Porsche 944, VX220 and me in my lowly 924S!
Aha excellent, we're running a 2 litre Zetec so we could run in the higher class. Mark - Just need to redo the brakes, game on
Rich
We'd better get together soon and have a look at the old girl.
From memory the Ginetta G40 I was involved with in Britcar (Pit wall not driving!) did 0.7 litres a minute with a 2 litre Zetec and that's a slightly heavier car and less slippy through the air than the G20 so you should use a bit less. Isn't the G20 tank 30 litres? If so you should be OK, the 1800cc cars make it with no problem
It's close Andy, the way ours is mapped it seems to use about 1.5 litres a minute (we seem to regularly use around 13 litres in 20 mins) which would put us close to empty by the end of a 40 minute race. We know we get surge at somewhere around 4 litres and if there are any stoppages etc. I think we'd be in danger of running dry.
It's close, which is why a swirl pot might be all that's needed - we'll book a test day and do some more scientific measurements I think.
Doesn't the G40 use a Duratech anyway, probably a fair bit better on fuel than ours, especially coming from the factory?
It's close, which is why a swirl pot might be all that's needed - we'll book a test day and do some more scientific measurements I think.
Doesn't the G40 use a Duratech anyway, probably a fair bit better on fuel than ours, especially coming from the factory?
Mark Benson said:
It's close Andy, the way ours is mapped it seems to use about 1.5 litres a minute (we seem to regularly use around 13 litres in 20 mins) which would put us close to empty by the end of a 40 minute race. We know we get surge at somewhere around 4 litres and if there are any stoppages etc. I think we'd be in danger of running dry.
It's close, which is why a swirl pot might be all that's needed - we'll book a test day and do some more scientific measurements I think.
Doesn't the G40 use a Duratech anyway, probably a fair bit better on fuel than ours, especially coming from the factory?
Don't forget to factor in the Green flag lap (not much fuel used but if you are close...). On the upside there is the pit stop so there's a minute or so not at racing speed!It's close, which is why a swirl pot might be all that's needed - we'll book a test day and do some more scientific measurements I think.
Doesn't the G40 use a Duratech anyway, probably a fair bit better on fuel than ours, especially coming from the factory?
The G40s in the Challenge use a Zetec and the one I was involved with in Britcar definitely was a 2 litre Zetec. I think the later G40s, for the road, use the Duratec
Oh and 13 litres in 20 mins is 0.65 litres per minute isn't it?????
Edited by andy97 on Wednesday 8th January 10:32
andy97 said:
Don't forget to factor in the Green flag lap (not much fuel used but if you are close...). On the upside there is the pit stop so there's a minute or so not at racing speed!
The G40s in the Challenge use a Zetec and the one I was involved with in Britcar definitely was a 2 litre Zetec. I think the later G40s, for the road, use the Duratec
Oh and 13 litres in 20 mins is 0.65 litres per minute isn't it?????
You're right, I divided the wrong way....The G40s in the Challenge use a Zetec and the one I was involved with in Britcar definitely was a 2 litre Zetec. I think the later G40s, for the road, use the Duratec
Oh and 13 litres in 20 mins is 0.65 litres per minute isn't it?????
Edited by andy97 on Wednesday 8th January 10:32
Anyway, with 20 mins burning approx. 13 litres, 40 mins would be 26 and right at the point of surge in a 30 litre tank (unless my maths is even worse than I thought, which is possible).
Test day is the answer I think.
Hi Andy, we're just putting our diary together for this year and looks like we'll be doing a few more races in the MC again in the Mini R53 Challenge, are we better runnning this in the new FWD < 2Turbo class, rather than Class B which we did last year in which we weren't too competative...
moc said:
Hi Andy, we're just putting our diary together for this year and looks like we'll be doing a few more races in the MC again in the Mini R53 Challenge, are we better runnning this in the new FWD < 2Turbo class, rather than Class B which we did last year in which we weren't too competative...
I don't remember you being uncompetitive! I guess the answer is to try and see how you get on, and see which one suits best.andy97 said:
I don't remember you being uncompetitive! I guess the answer is to try and see how you get on, and see which one suits best.
Ok, maybe should have said not as competitive as we'd have wanted to be 
thanks Andy looking forward to the season, we'll give the new class a try, think we've going to be doing quite a few MC events..Edited by moc on Tuesday 14th January 08:32
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