"Modern Classics" 40 minute race series

[wildman0609]

I've found the dunlops pretty crappy in the wet on my 911. The Toyo R888s always seemed very good in the wet in comparison.

[woof]

wildman0609 said:

I've found the dunlops pretty crappy in the wet on my 911. The Toyo R888s always seemed very good in the wet in comparison.

I always thought the 888's were lethal in the wet !
It just go to show that there isn't a decent wet tyre unless you go to a full wet. Which is something I would like to see happen at some point.

[bromers2]

woof said:

wildman0609 said:

I've found the dunlops pretty crappy in the wet on my 911. The Toyo R888s always seemed very good in the wet in comparison.

I always thought the 888's were lethal in the wet !
It just go to show that there isn't a decent wet tyre unless you go to a full wet. Which is something I would like to see happen at some point.

100% agree - they are so much safer and virtually everyone has a spare set of tyres for wet weather so why not use full wets.

[spyderman8]

bromers2 said:

100% agree - they are so much safer and virtually everyone has a spare set of tyres for wet weather so why not use full wets.

Presumably because its so expensive - expect to add two more sets of wheels and tyres, especially if fronts and rears are different sizes.

[wildman0609]

spyderman8 said:

Presumably because its so expensive - expect to add two more sets of wheels and tyres, especially if fronts and rears are different sizes.

it works out a lot cheaper to run on wets when there's standing water than to aquaplane off

[steeviegeebies]

I agree. I don't think the cost argument against using wets stands up to scrutiny. Most drivers have a 2nd set of wheels for wet conditions anyway, or they need to spend to change their 1b race tyres sufficiently often that they always have deep enough tread to grip well in the wet as well as dry. Wets make the racing a LOT safer, and remove the tyre choice variable.

[woof]

Anyone that knows me will already know this is one of my "crusades".
Another is that club racers should have a voice with the MSA. Eg an elected grass roots racer to put forward our thoughts on racing.

[NJH]

The Dunlops are very hard and thus don't seem to like cold conditions, I think this is the route cause of them being poor in the wet sometimes but others in certain conditions have got them to work well.

[andy97]

bromers2 said:

....and virtually everyone has a spare set of tyres for wet weather so why not use full wets.

I really don't think that's true. Maybe "virtually everybody at the front" but I think that's a long way from the fact throughout the grid.

There is no doubt that full wets are quicker in the wet, and have more grip but it doesn't always follow that they are safer. They should be, perhaps, but that depends on the speed you are going and fully wets may mean that the accident happens at higher speed. Even full wets won't prevent aqua planing in some conditions.

There is a timetable issue with changing to full wets. If you allow them then you have to give people the option to change if the weather iis poor but at ,any CSCC (and other) meetings that would compromise the time table.

List 1b are road legal tyres and therefore, by definition, are deemed to be safe to drive on by the MSA and the Eurocrats so I doubt you will ever convince a club that they are not safe to race on, you just need to adapt your speed to the conditions. That said, the tyre regs for List 1b are about to change and it is likely that the current List 1b will no longer be road legal in the near future and may become track only "List 1C tyres" in due course (so I have been told by a Scrutineer). In their place it is expected that tyre manufacturers will introduce new tyres with improved wet weather performance and they will become the new List 1B. What clubs do with their series tyre regs remains to be seen.

[bromers2]

Will be interesting to see what will happens with the new tyre rules/changes.

Race wets work well in the damp and I think it would be up to the competitor to decide when to use them so no delay to the timetable exactly the same today whether to change to road legal wets or stay on road slicks.

[andy97]

If a race is declared a "wet race" and the series regs allow full race wets, you will have to give people time to change. You don't now.

[steeviegeebies]

andy97 said:

If a race is declared a "wet race" and the series regs allow full race wets, you will have to give people time to change. You don't now.

That doesn't happen in AMOC Intermarque champs, where regs allow free choice of 1b and race wets, but not slicks. It works perfectly and there is no delay to the meeting.

[andy97]

steeviegeebies said:

andy97 said:

If a race is declared a "wet race" and the series regs allow full race wets, you will have to give people time to change. You don't now.

That doesn't happen in AMOC Intermarque champs, where regs allow free choice of 1b and race wets, but not slicks. It works perfectly and there is no delay to the meeting.

I clearly didn't know that, Steve, but a quick Google shows that many series supplementary regs require that competitors are given the option to change to wet tyres, even if it involves a delay, if the regs allow wet tyres and if the race is formally declared "wet" by the Clerk of the Course.

If wets are allowed on the grounds of safety, then I think it's remiss not to give people time to change if the race is declared wet.

[woof]

I won't be out with you guys tomorrow. Engine problems.
Have a great race. Hope we'll make Spa

[PistonSquizz]

A mixed bag in the Modern Classics for us at the weekend.

After about a lap and a half in qualifying there was a loss of power. Karen was mumbling something about no more then 4000rpm in 5th. I spotted the problem immediately when trying to accelerate out of the pit line. No boost. Flat as a pancake. Consequently we qualified 31st out of 32 runners!

There were three different likely problem candidates which I fixed in the paddock. Took the beast for a test and it was all good. Fixed. Right, bring it on.

The race went well and we finished 20th overall but 2nd in class.

We'd been told the prize-giving would be 40 minutes after the race, but we go there to be told it'd been done a while ago!! Not only that, but there were no more timesheets available. When I looked on-line at TSL Timing on Monday I spotted something wasn't right at all.

Turns out the class winner had been given a drive-through penalty which they never performed. As such they were given 2 points on their license by the MSA. I spoke to a club official to be told the club should have amended the race results but somehow this never happened. The appeal period is over and the result is set in stone.

Consequently, we missed out on a very likely class win.

Not particularly impressed. Not particularly impressed at all...

Edited by PistonSquizz on Wednesday 13th May 15:09

[88racing]

PistonSquizz said:

The appeal period is over and the result is set in stone.

Consequently, we missed out on a very likely class win.

Not particularly impressed. Not particularly impressed at all...

Can't think I'd be impressed either! The prizes are dished out by your organising body though, not the MSA - so it's their remit to issue you with your 1st in class gong. Have you asked them?

[PistonSquizz]

88racing said:

Can't think I'd be impressed either! The prizes are dished out by your organising body though, not the MSA - so it's their remit to issue you with your 1st in class gong. Have you asked them?

Yup. The results will stand as posted. :-(

[Hazee]

Drive through penalty was due to it was said I didn't close my door at pit stop --- which was longer than most at 1.13...But this was questionable as we thought we had. Didn't see the flag - so that was my bad

But due to the questionable and minor offence think they thought is was harsh enough with the 2 points on license..

Could have appealed but can't be bothered with the effort.

Asked if any penalty time would be added or position would be altered clerk said no.

I think im worse off with 2 points for ultimately not fully closing the door in pit.

I would defo let you take first in a class of 2 if you would take my points

[bromers2]

Anyone know why there were two post 1999 E46 M3's running in Class A ? (Under the disguise of E36's on the time sheets)

[andy97]

bromers2 said:

Anyone know why there were two post 1999 E46 M3's running in Class A ? (Under the disguise of E36's on the time sheets)

The E46m3 had "grand father rights" to race in MC from the CSCC's previous race series, "Deutsche Marque" where there was no age restrictions.

I'm not on the Committee any more but I would have thought that the E46 should now be shifted in to "New Millenium" and that may happen after a one year grace period.