"Modern Classics" 40 minute race series

"Modern Classics" 40 minute race series

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andy97

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4,691 posts

221 months

Thursday 4th June 2015
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Cheburator mk2 said:
I have only seen one reliable 944T race car and it was built by EMC smile It is all about the mapping, and in our case I think it was not as good as it could have been. As for the hardware, it is top notch. We will put a Cometic head gasket, re-visit the map and go from there. Though I still think that it is an inferior platform to the 928 - yet to see a UK race 944 in any form capable of beating Mark Chilton...
They beat all comers in the PCGB series (which is why they were banned, although there were le agility issues!!! Lol) and were competitive in Porsche Open.

I can't afford one, but I'd have one if I could. And if Mark Chilton put the resources he has into a 944t rather than the 928 I really do believe that it would prove to be the better car. Sadly, I can't prove that opinion!!

JNB76

4 posts

111 months

Thursday 4th June 2015
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Hi everyone

Dad and I race the red/orange Boxster and have so far had a good season. Brands was really interesting though as the damp conditions made many cars giant killers, funny watching the M3's tippytoe around like we used to last year in our E36.

Unfortunately Dad ignored our pit boards and by the time he pitted a safety car came out and we got stuck in the pit lane, the pace the car had we were probably on for a podium. Still I had fun and a bit of a spin trying to unlap myself! Class win though so no big deal - and we went on to win outright in the New Millenium race later in the day!

Shame there was so many broken cars, hope to see the two Rich's cars back soon. Just love the variety of racing, where can you get a grid that reads Mini, M3, Elise, F355, 968, Toyota Starlet, Vento, Boxster, 911?



I also noted the talk about tyres. Our experience is that the Toyo's do not like being used on heavier cars. The E36 just overheated them too quickly. The Dunlops were much better and we run those in the dry or damp on the Boxster. We used Dunlops this weeked in both races when the conditions were mixed but have a set of road tyres for the wet qualifying. They were definitely better than the Dunlops when there is enough water to create spray.

Some vids from Brands.

https://www.youtube.com/user/jamesbroad1/videos

James

Edited by JNB76 on Thursday 4th June 13:48

Cheburator mk2

2,973 posts

198 months

Thursday 4th June 2015
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andy97 said:
They beat all comers in the PCGB series (which is why they were banned, although there were le agility issues!!! Lol) and were competitive in Porsche Open.

I can't afford one, but I'd have one if I could. And if Mark Chilton put the resources he has into a 944t rather than the 928 I really do believe that it would prove to be the better car. Sadly, I can't prove that opinion!!
The only really expensive thing on Mark's car is the 3-way Ohlins suspension. The rest is standard - engine, ECUs, brakes - he uses AP-racing discs, gearbox, etc. He uses pretty rubbish headers and has a custom exhaust. Fiberglass body panels - doors, wings and bonnet. Hardly the stuff of bespoke, and found pretty much on any 944 too... Having built a 320rwhp (when she runs right) 944T, I know what is involved and how expensive it gets very quickly. Anyway, we digress. The series is great and I love it. Long it may continue...

BIG GT2

348 posts

144 months

Thursday 4th June 2015
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Cheburator mk2 said:
andy97 said:
They beat all comers in the PCGB series (which is why they were banned, although there were le agility issues!!! Lol) and were competitive in Porsche Open.

I can't afford one, but I'd have one if I could. And if Mark Chilton put the resources he has into a 944t rather than the 928 I really do believe that it would prove to be the better car. Sadly, I can't prove that opinion!!
The only really expensive thing on Mark's car is the 3-way Ohlins suspension. The rest is standard - engine, ECUs, brakes - he uses AP-racing discs, gearbox, etc. He uses pretty rubbish headers and has a custom exhaust. Fiberglass body panels - doors, wings and bonnet. Hardly the stuff of bespoke, and found pretty much on any 944 too... Having built a 320rwhp (when she runs right) 944T, I know what is involved and how expensive it gets very quickly. Anyway, we digress. The series is great and I love it. Long it may continue...
pretty rubbish headers? how very dare you sir lol!
steve kevlin said the 944 turbos were banned from the pcgb series because they were to hard to police, and is why they arent allowed in now when my 928 is if i wanted too. some had multiple maps which were activated by hidden switches, the afn run car driven by tiff needell had the old number code alarm pad, which after the race had a code put in returning it back to the standard map. needell was kicked out giving the overall 88 title to my dads business partner mick phillips in his 2.2s.
alex, just a idea ive found having the wastegate that far from the turbo causes a boost spike every now and then that blows the headgasket(if your map is spot on, and not causing a problem) fitting a good electronic boost controller or changing to left hand drive helps you move the turbo to tother side, and reduces the pipework length.
i use the 928 because generally its more robust, my engine just lasted 9 seasons inc 13 races at spa with 9 wins which is no mean feet. andy i think i could make a turbo faster but i think it wouldnt last many years at 400hp (racing it anyway). and ive got enough work on my cayman making it hold together, the 928 is usually fun to race with less hassle. in the 928 be interesting to see what my new engine is like with throttle bodies/ different cams etc as they make 500hp instead of 350, but it will be standard for the rest of this season. just getting ready for spa is going to be a push!
great handling cars though the 944s close to 50/50 where im 54 percent front weight.
if anyone wants to give me a 44 turbo to race ill be happy to oblige chaps wink;)

NJH

3,021 posts

208 months

Thursday 4th June 2015
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Simon Peckham (SPS) probably knows more about 951 engines and tuning them than anyone else in the country. He was the one playing with all kinds of special hybrid turbos and of course is well known for his engine building business down here, ISTR he built with Jon Mitchell all those bigger capacity turbo engines that Jon was doing a few years back. I had heard many years ago from those racing the 951 stateside that really 300 Bhp or so at the flywheel is the reliable limit for a raced 2.5, nothing I have read or heard over the past decade plus has convinced me otherwise that that is probably true. Its funny that EMC are mentioned as Kev always put me off and I guess anyone else who broached the subject about the idea of racing a 951. There seems to come a point where they are just a money pit if pushed up the performance envelope. Andy you are probably thinking of Mark Koeberles old car but don't forget that back then he was regularly mixing it with the guys in S2s that may have been lighter but are of course only NA engines putting out 220 Bhp or so, probably the only person I can think of for a long time that has been racing a properly fast 951 is David Botterilll up north. 1:52 on Oulton International speaks for itself. He seems to have been racing that car for years so maybe Strasse know the stuff on how to make those cars work well.

Richair

1,021 posts

196 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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Looks like I've opened a can 'o worms on the race 951 subject and it's interesting reading the things that have been said in here... If I do decide to push on with mine I won't be out to win (I can't afford to!) and the car will be retained in a reasonably mild state of tune of up to around 300bhp- I personally feel this is a sensible limit for the hardware and Porsche obviously thought the same with the cup cars. The sensible thing for me to do would be to sell the 951 and buy a ready prepped S2 or 924S, but I've already put a lot of time and money into the car and it's such an enjoyable and well rounded car to own. Owning a fully prepared race car that's next to useless on the road isn't for me, not yet any way. Maybe I'll learn the hard way on this, but life is for living and all that!

BIG GT2 I have to say your 928 is just lovely; it goes, sounds and looks the nuts! The mix of cars competing in Future Classics is just great and it looks like a lot of fun out there. It's a shame there aren't more race prepped 928's around; it has to be the sweet-spot for a reasonably affordable and fast Porsche race car.

PistonSquizz

101 posts

189 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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Missing out on Spa, so Rockingham next for us. Hoping the ol' girl keeps going (Car, not Karen!) and the weather is kind. I like the challenge of the Rock, but not in the wet!

Who else is in?

majordad

3,600 posts

196 months

Monday 29th June 2015
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Home at 1.30 am last night from Spa with Modern Classics. Great racing and track and excellent support and planning by all at CSCC. The Kemel straight sure is fast ! Well done to Mark Chilton on the win, gutsy drive !

NJH

3,021 posts

208 months

Monday 29th June 2015
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Richair said:
BIG GT2 I have to say your 928 is just lovely; it goes, sounds and looks the nuts!
I lined up on the grid next row down from Mark back in 2011 at Silverstone. Both of us invites on the Porsche Club grid. I still have all the video footage and for sure Mark's 928 is I feel the best sounding race car I have heard. Not as shrill as the 996/997 cup cars just really nice and meaty and decently loud. Majordad from these parts also there next to Mark on the grid. Happy days.

PistonSquizz

101 posts

189 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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majordad said:
Home at 1.30 am last night from Spa with Modern Classics. Great racing and track and excellent support and planning by all at CSCC. The Kemel straight sure is fast ! Well done to Mark Chilton on the win, gutsy drive !
Any video?

majordad

3,600 posts

196 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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No, my Go Pro was acting up. Sorry about that. There's one on youtube I uploaded in 2012 , google Porsche 993 RSR Big spin Spa.

77racing

3,346 posts

186 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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PistonSquizz said:
Any video?
This one is of the inter race one part one from car 77 TVR Tuscan in FC. Dave's Porsche does feature either on this one or race two which is loading up now which I can post up later if you want. Didn't see much of Mark he was very quick and well upfront

part one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQtusnBquzE
part two
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7298nRz5S7Q

Edited by 77racing on Thursday 2nd July 19:54

andrewcliffe

935 posts

223 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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Some pics from qualifying and race 1 of Swinging 60's and Interseries Cup here:- http://www.norwichphoto.com/photostore/gallery.php...

Sports2000 & Morgans to follow.

77racing

3,346 posts

186 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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Future Classic's ( inter series )race two part one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TETmhLclWqo

Part two...........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-diimC5nuZg

Edited by 77racing on Saturday 4th July 11:26

JNB76

4 posts

111 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Pics from the weekend and vids can be found here.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jimmybroad/sets/7215...

https://www.youtube.com/user/jamesbroad1/videos

Didn't quite go to plan - as you can see from the pics and the Inter Series video, but still, Dad was ok and the car is not too badly damaged.

Have driven Spa once before in the wet, so much more fun in the dry, car was going great just undone by a slippy Radillion, along with a few others as you can see from this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw1oq75aV0c&li...

Will miss Rockingham unfortunately - hope you all have a good race and see you at Mallory.

James

BIG GT2

348 posts

144 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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thanks dave, luckily i picked when to pit behind the safety car correctly on both days. first race after a few laps behind it and the second race straight away, which must be a first for me!
i need more power for spa next year as it was too tough liking lol! the morgans plus the black and white tvrs are very fast round spa.
ive got incar videos of both races, just hard to upload them as im computer illiterate.

we are too busy at work so im missing mallory and rockingham, see you all at oulton.

regards mark

77racing

3,346 posts

186 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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JNB76 said:
Pics from the weekend and vids can be found here.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jimmybroad/sets/7215...

https://www.youtube.com/user/jamesbroad1/videos

Didn't quite go to plan - as you can see from the pics and the Inter Series video, but still, Dad was ok and the car is not too badly damaged.

Have driven Spa once before in the wet, so much more fun in the dry, car was going great just undone by a slippy Radillion, along with a few others as you can see from this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw1oq75aV0c&li...

Will miss Rockingham unfortunately - hope you all have a good race and see you at Mallory.

James
Hard luck, the driver did absolutely everythink that could have been done to save that, cat like reactions. Sad to see but on the bright side only 50 weeks till next years race

PistonSquizz

101 posts

189 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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JNB76 said:
Have driven Spa once before in the wet, so much more fun in the dry, car was going great just undone by a slippy Radillion, along with a few others as you can see from this video.

Will miss Rockingham unfortunately - hope you all have a good race and see you at Mallory.

James
Really sorry to hear that James! Hope everything comes back together and you're out with us at Mallory or Donington.

Best of luck,
Rich.

majordad

3,600 posts

196 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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We shared the area of the paddock with you at Spa, I thought there was another car ( Honda ?) involved in your accident, can't see it in the video. My comisserations, it was very slippy coming out of Eau Rouge and I myself got a moment there the previous lap.

Dave

BIG GT2

348 posts

144 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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majordad said:
We shared the area of the paddock with you at Spa, I thought there was another car ( Honda ?) involved in your accident, can't see it in the video. My comisserations, it was very slippy coming out of Eau Rouge and I myself got a moment there the previous lap.

Dave
i think the honda and a puma crashed together. im sure there was a white m3 off with the boxster?
its more luck than judgement most laps over the top of there for me as the car takes off. seen a lot of cars off too the left there over the years