"Modern Classics" 40 minute race series
Discussion
Cheburator mk2 said:
andy97 said:
Alex, IF Tom, or anyone else is running a car that's against the rules then they should be asked to change the car to comply. Just the same as you should be asked to race your car in the correct series for it.
I genuinely do not know if Tom, or anyone else is running an S54 engine in an E36, and even if you published the photo, I wouldn't know what I was looking at.
It's not fair on the other competitors in MC if a car is illegal, and it's not fair on the other competitors in FC that you are running a car that was only available post 1991 iwith a 5.4 litre engine in a series that's designed for pre 1990 cars.
CSCC doesn't have many rules but it's not unreasonable to expect competitors to comply with the ones they do have.
I think you are right overall... To be fair, my 928 is a GT, so it does not run the GTS arches, but if runs a 5.5ltr engine. However, unlike the S54, which is entirely different from the S50, the GTS uses a different crank, rod and the same diameter pistons, in the same block to achieve the extra 400cc. That is all... I shall wait and see what happens next year - both the 928 and the 944 will be registered for both series if allowed. If not, I will struggle with the 928 in MC as I love the old barge and try and make the 944T really competitive in FC (within the rules)I genuinely do not know if Tom, or anyone else is running an S54 engine in an E36, and even if you published the photo, I wouldn't know what I was looking at.
It's not fair on the other competitors in MC if a car is illegal, and it's not fair on the other competitors in FC that you are running a car that was only available post 1991 iwith a 5.4 litre engine in a series that's designed for pre 1990 cars.
CSCC doesn't have many rules but it's not unreasonable to expect competitors to comply with the ones they do have.
BIG GT2 said:
Sounds like you should stick to racing instead of complaining that alex is in the wrong series if you can't see he's in a gt andy. It also says they will let later cars in at there discretion. There's too much politics in motor racing, I thought the cscc escaped all this. I Can't believe you have complained that I should race in mc then asked me for any spare tickets at Donington lol
Mark, i have sent you my response by PM.To be clear, it wasn't me that complained about yours and Alex's car, although I did discuss the eligibility of your car with you 3 x years ago. Alex raised the subject here.
I am very happy that Alex's car is a GT.
BIG GT2 said:
Cheburator mk2 said:
I think you are right overall... To be fair, my 928 is a GT, so it does not run the GTS arches, but if runs a 5.5ltr engine. However, unlike the S54, which is entirely different from the S50, the GTS uses a different crank, rod and the same diameter pistons, in the same block to achieve the extra 400cc. That is all... I shall wait and see what happens next year - both the 928 and the 944 will be registered for both series if allowed. If not, I will struggle with the 928 in MC as I love the old barge and try and make the 944T really competitive in FC (within the rules)
Sounds like you should stick to racing instead of complaining that alex is in the wrong series if you can't see he's in a gt andy. It also says they will let later cars in at there discretion. There's too much politics in motor racing, I thought the cscc escaped all this. I Can't believe you have complained that I should race in mc then asked me for any spare tickets at Donington lolrichy w said:
As I may enter FC next year couple of questions, why is someone running an E21 BMW with an engine bigger than 2300, which was max in production, and why a Mazda MX5 with a turbo, never produced by Mazda ???
An original engine type can be bored and/ or stroked.The MK1 MX5 turbo was produced by BBR and officially sanctioned by Mazda, and available through Mazda dealers, with a Mazda warranty.
Agree, should be in MC only. Cars that have chassis from the the FC era but have bodywork or engines that were only available in the MC era should only race in the relevant, correct era series for that bodywork/ engine IMHO. Speak to the co-ordinator.
Edited by andy97 on Friday 16th October 09:28
i think it was a sad day when you left Andy as Modern Classics coordinator, however it has gone how i thought it would, there are BMWs running later engines and the aero is also not quite correct as well, wouldnt have got away with it in your day!, personally i think the club should have an independant eligibility scrutinneer to police this problem, there is definately rules for one and rules for others!
shim said:
but bloody hell that Lotus Evora thing is quick
If you're referring to Fabio Randoccio's Lotus which has done a few rounds this year, that's a Europa - and yes, it is!That's a turbocharged Vauxhall 4 cylinder lump and essentially an Elise-type chassis.
Evora's are Toyota V6 based and a totally different tub.
Tanuki said:
If you're referring to Fabio Randoccio's Lotus which has done a few rounds this year, that's a Europa - and yes, it is!
That's a turbocharged Vauxhall 4 cylinder lump and essentially an Elise-type chassis.
Evora's are Toyota V6 based and a totally different tub.
Which had about 450bhp on an in car adjustable boost switch and was hardly a fair contest against the Hall NA Honda when it raced in the Lotus series...........That's a turbocharged Vauxhall 4 cylinder lump and essentially an Elise-type chassis.
Evora's are Toyota V6 based and a totally different tub.
Hardly a totally different tub - the V6 and Europa tub are very similar, relatively little different between all of them in terms of weight, rear subframe obviously different to cater for the V6 Exige \ Evora lump.
Edited by tvr350tim on Wednesday 25th November 00:14
tvr350tim said:
Which had about 450bhp on an in car adjustable boost switch and was hardly a fair contest against the Hall NA Honda when it raced in the Lotus series...........
Sorry, I'm rather failing to see what your point is and it's relevance to the car running in CSCC?Edited by tvr350tim on Wednesday 25th November 00:14
It sounds like you've got some form of beef with Fabio - and you're certainly letting it bother you rather a lot bearing in mind what you're referring to is about 5 years hence.
tvr350tim said:
Hardly a totally different tub - the V6 and Europa tub are very similar, relatively little different between all of them in terms of weight, rear subframe obviously different to cater for the V6 Exige \ Evora lump.
The Evora tub is totally distinct from the Elise / Exige family tubs. There may be visual similarities - but the Evora tub was designed from the proverbial 'blank sheet of paper'.Edited by tvr350tim on Wednesday 25th November 00:14
The fundamental engineering architecture of the Evora chassis uses a concept called VVA which is a distinct and complete progression from the Elise family chassis.
The Evora chassis itself (not just the crash structure / rear subframe) was designed to be modular (which the Elise family chassis isn't).
Furthermore the Evora chassis has the potential to be reengineered in terms of its fundamental dimensions (width, length etc.) and strength due to the chassis modularity characteristics.
For example: Modules of the Evora chassis could even have the wall thicknesses increased to accommodate a front engine configuration. You're not doing that on the Elise tub now, are you?
Also some sections of the chassis when compared to the same member or structure on the Elise chassis are constructed entirely differently.
As I say; it may ostensibly look the same - but fundamentally in engineering terms a totally different and distinct chassis.
To paraphrase Lotus themselves: "The Evora is the first all-new vehicle platform since the introduction of the Elise in 1995".
Edited by Tanuki on Thursday 26th November 20:27
The calling note for the AGM at the weekend was as follows -
Dear Member,
‘Entries’ have now closed for the CSCC’s Annual Dinner Dance at the Oxford Belfry this Saturday evening 28th November 2015.
For those of you that are attending, we shall start with pre-dinner drinks in the College Lounge in front of the College Suite from 6.00 to 6.30pm .
We will all need to be seated punctually by 7.00pm for dinner to start. A seating plan will be situated on the door. The evening’s festivities will officially end at 01.00 am.
The CSCC’s AGM will take place in the Exeter Room at 10.30 am on Sunday 29th November. The Agenda for this has already been circulated to you.
Topics to be discussed at the drivers meeting after the AGM will be:
Single Drivers staying in cars at Pit Stops
Mandatory Pit Stop Times
Running 3 drivers between two cars in one race
Power to Weight ratios
All members are welcome at the AGM and are asked to bring their current CSCC membership card to allow entry.
We look forward to seeing you there.
I haven't heard or seen anything else from CSCC re reg changes (we are building a Boxster S for Modern Classics next year, so any changes are of interest).
Dear Member,
‘Entries’ have now closed for the CSCC’s Annual Dinner Dance at the Oxford Belfry this Saturday evening 28th November 2015.
For those of you that are attending, we shall start with pre-dinner drinks in the College Lounge in front of the College Suite from 6.00 to 6.30pm .
We will all need to be seated punctually by 7.00pm for dinner to start. A seating plan will be situated on the door. The evening’s festivities will officially end at 01.00 am.
The CSCC’s AGM will take place in the Exeter Room at 10.30 am on Sunday 29th November. The Agenda for this has already been circulated to you.
Topics to be discussed at the drivers meeting after the AGM will be:
Single Drivers staying in cars at Pit Stops
Mandatory Pit Stop Times
Running 3 drivers between two cars in one race
Power to Weight ratios
All members are welcome at the AGM and are asked to bring their current CSCC membership card to allow entry.
We look forward to seeing you there.
I haven't heard or seen anything else from CSCC re reg changes (we are building a Boxster S for Modern Classics next year, so any changes are of interest).
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