"Modern Classics" 40 minute race series

"Modern Classics" 40 minute race series

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Richair

1,021 posts

196 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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Someone has to do this! It would be great to see/hear, although I imagine a few people may get upset if one turns up with a good driver hehe

BIG GT2

348 posts

144 months

Sunday 6th March 2016
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PistonSquizz said:
'ello.

Whilst considering the costs of work on our Impreza versus preparing a new car I'd considered a Nissan Skyline R32 GTR (1988-1994). Then spotted the 2.5L limit for 4WD turbocharged cars in Class C. The R32 GTR was a 2.6L. So it was ruled out.

Do we fear Godzilla that much? ;-)

Shame, as a replica of this would look mighty good...

My friend has a black big horsepower r32 that he wants to make the jump from track days to race. I'm trying to persuade him to let me be his co-pilot for these long 40 minute races😉

BIG GT2

348 posts

144 months

Sunday 6th March 2016
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600hp, struggles on the tyres we will need to run in the future classics after about 15 minutes tho at the moment

PistonSquizz

101 posts

189 months

Monday 7th March 2016
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PistonSquizz

101 posts

189 months

Thursday 10th March 2016
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http://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-japanesecars/su...

"The turbocharged 2.0-litre engine makes 350hp and 295lb ft, with a top speed of 160mph. However, there's no news yet on exhaust headers and whether it will sound like a Group A Legacy.... Other spec points of note include Penske dampers, AP Racing brakes (362mm front discs, 304mm rear) and a dry weight of 1,280kg with a driver onboard."

Karen's Impreza WRX race car already had nearly as much horsepower and even more torque. It weighs about 100kg less as well in the same conditions. However, the forged engine and gearbox rebuilds should see it pumping out a damn sight more than Plato's new steed, but gearing will mean a max speed of about 140mph.

Although right now, the engine is in but bereft of ancillaries and turbo, and the gearbox is still in bits. I'm not sure we're going to have chance for a decent shakedown before the Snetterton race meeting. On top of that, I'm supposed to be flying out to Detroit at stupid o'clock on the day after the race. Not sure it's going to happen. frown

Output Flange

16,793 posts

210 months

Thursday 10th March 2016
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Does the CSCC require the fitment of a fuel sample tap this year?

stuartj

110 posts

194 months

Thursday 10th March 2016
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I run in FC's and nothing in the regulations stipulates this - I certainly don’t have one fitted.

Richair

1,021 posts

196 months

Thursday 10th March 2016
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It's in the blue book for all race cars chaps, only CSCC don't need eligibility scruts due to their rules so unless there's suspicion that someone is cheating and using race fuel I see no reason why they'd ever want to test... But by the book, we should have them (I'm not fitting them at this time BTW).

stuartj

110 posts

194 months

Thursday 10th March 2016
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Well spotted, Richair – I never knew that.

I checked the Blue Book and it says:
5.13.7. With the exception of cars competing in Sprint and Hill Climb road going production category, cars competing in British and MSA Titled Championships for, and all new build cars for, Rallycross, Car Racing, Special Stage Rallying, Sprints and Hill Climbs must be equipped with the facility to enable a fuel sample to be taken. For fuel injected cars the facility must be a dry break fuel sampling coupling, approved by the FIA, Competitors must carry and make available a 300mm minimum length of hose to which, where necessary, the appropriate mating part is to be attached.’

So as I read it a new build race car must have the fuel sampling facility built in – but does that apply to older race cars?

Output Flange

16,793 posts

210 months

Friday 11th March 2016
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stuartj said:
Well spotted, Richair – I never knew that.

I checked the Blue Book and it says:
5.13.7. With the exception of cars competing in Sprint and Hill Climb road going production category, cars competing in British and MSA Titled Championships for, and all new build cars for, Rallycross, Car Racing, Special Stage Rallying, Sprints and Hill Climbs must be equipped with the facility to enable a fuel sample to be taken. For fuel injected cars the facility must be a dry break fuel sampling coupling, approved by the FIA, Competitors must carry and make available a 300mm minimum length of hose to which, where necessary, the appropriate mating part is to be attached.’

So as I read it a new build race car must have the fuel sampling facility built in – but does that apply to older race cars?
I don't read it that way. It seems that any car competing in Car Racing (the relevant bit here) needs it. I'll drop a note to the CSCC for clarification.

Tanuki

108 posts

204 months

Friday 11th March 2016
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Here's how you read it:

...cars competing in British and MSA Titled Championships for, and all new build cars for, Rallycross, Car Racing, Special Stage Rallying, Sprints and Hill Climbs must be equipped with the facility to enable a fuel sample to be taken.

So yes, a dry break sample valve and appropriately lengthed take off hose (etc) is mandatory in an MSA licensed circuit racing event.

Output Flange

16,793 posts

210 months

Friday 11th March 2016
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Yes, that's how I read it.

Just spoke to CSCC. Their answer is that if it's in the Blue Book then you should have it. She went on to say that they've never taken a fuel sample in the last ten years, so it's up to me if I want to fit a tap.

I think I'll just fit one.

NJH

3,021 posts

208 months

Friday 11th March 2016
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That reg ISTR came in a few years back, I asked around at the time and nobody seemed to be doing anything about it as the scrutes were not doing anything about it. When the exposed hydraulics things came in I was one of many to get picked up on it by a scrute and thus had to fit a silly metal cover around my shock remote reservoirs in the back. Everyone quickly picked up on that one.

Fuel is a funny one anyway, everyone queues up for the super juice at 'that' filling station in the paddock at Silverstone content that it is bought from a filling station whilst ignoring the clear definition in the Blue Book of what constitutes pump fuel. Also seen guys with drums of the stuff in the paddock on many occasions, again no one seems to do anything about it.

Another one is the reg about catalytic converters, and another one etc. etc.

BIG GT2

348 posts

144 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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NJH said:
That reg ISTR came in a few years back, I asked around at the time and nobody seemed to be doing anything about it as the scrutes were not doing anything about it. When the exposed hydraulics things came in I was one of many to get picked up on it by a scrute and thus had to fit a silly metal cover around my shock remote reservoirs in the back. Everyone quickly picked up on that one.

Fuel is a funny one anyway, everyone queues up for the super juice at 'that' filling station in the paddock at Silverstone content that it is bought from a filling station whilst ignoring the clear definition in the Blue Book of what constitutes pump fuel. Also seen guys with drums of the stuff in the paddock on many occasions, again no one seems to do anything about it.

Another one is the reg about catalytic converters, and another one etc. etc.
not sure many will actually buy the rocket fuel at Silverstone. I remember last year saying wow 102 octane fuel, then seeing it was £2.50 or £3 a litre. Stick to the super me thinks! And I'm guilty on the 2nd charge I have race fuel barrels, if you look close they are a bit battered as I have used them for the last 5 or 6 years from when I bought some for my turbo racers. Some people do use it tho, you can smell it during the race behind a few cars in fc

NJH

3,021 posts

208 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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Exactly my point Mark. I realised years ago that in something like Porsche Club Championship one could gain an advantage by tuning for 102 Octane (99 + booster for example), but make sure the car runs just under the power limit on 95 Octane. Then of course you run the super juice in qualifying but make sure its run through the 95 stuff in the 2nd race so that if the car is carted off for testing on the rollers it will read under the limit. Not unsurprisingly bringing in a rule about dry break sampling systems would negate such a tactic if of course regular sample testing did actually happen. Sounds like a proper nause to me for organisers, likely would require another person to run around the paddock taking samples and all the associated lab costs which ultimately would need to be paid for by the competitor in a climate where racing is already to expensive.

77racing

3,346 posts

186 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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BIG GT2 said:
Some people do use it tho, you can smell it during the race behind a few cars in fc
I,m really surprised if not a little shocked by that. I Have always been very impressed by the courtesy and respect all my fellow racers in FC have shown each other. I guess I must be a bit naïve when I think that because we are on the bottom rung of the motorsport ladder so to speak and nought but a bit of plastic trophy to be had , that any one could be bothered to race outside the rules knowingly ,I'm confident for one, that people generally race for racings sake. I wonder what those people feel like when they get a result knowing they bent the rules to get there, instead of doing it on merit.

BIG GT2

348 posts

144 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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Sounds like a proper nause to me for the organisers, likely would require another person to run around the paddock taking samples and all the associated lab costs which ultimately would need to be paid for by the competitor in a climate where racing is already to expensive.
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To true they have enough to do especially now most cscc formulas have packed grids. I always use 98 octane . I think it makes a difference but I'm too tight for anything more exotic haha

BIG GT2

348 posts

144 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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[quote=77racing]

I,m really surprised if not a little shocked by that. I Have always been very impressed by the courtesy and respect all my fellow racers in FC have shown each other. I too have found the competitors and organisers alike the friendliest bunch I've raced with. And I should of worded it better about the on the whole, those big grids tell the story for me. Talking about the smell of race fuel, I should of worded it better It's never been behind anyone at the front, its been when I'm charging through after the pitstop. And it's not every race a handful of times I'd say. Looked a bit like I was having a moan reading it back. Anyone that is using it should do what I do and try to budget for as many tyres that they can that would get them further up the grid haha!

Output Flange

16,793 posts

210 months

Saturday 19th March 2016
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Boom! Booked in for Snetterton.

Richair

1,021 posts

196 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2016
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Likewise, I'll be there in TinTops in my pals EP3, going on Thursday for testing too smokin