Mallory Park closure threat!!
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king winging s who have probably moved in knowing the circuit was there.You should see how low the wkers stoop about Goodwood,a quote recently "at what stage does saving the planet come in to play" wkers.
As i said to one of the Goodwood wingers once "the only people who have a right to complain is the council house residents as they have been placed there where as you chose to live here"
fking wkers moaning about motorsport yet councils quite happily spend thousands for 90 minutes of football,s.
Sorry rant over.
king winging s who have probably moved in knowing the circuit was there.You should see how low the wkers stoop about Goodwood,a quote recently "at what stage does saving the planet come in to play" wkers.As i said to one of the Goodwood wingers once "the only people who have a right to complain is the council house residents as they have been placed there where as you chose to live here"
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king wkers moaning about motorsport yet councils quite happily spend thousands for 90 minutes of football,s.Sorry rant over.
Mark Benson said:
Dave Stewart said:
The "Crazy Dave" Solution would be (not that anyone is currently listening to me):-
1 / 40 Race Days distributed freely but published and fixed no later than 20th February each year. (Up to 20 two day meetings)
2 / No other weekend activity at all - effectively guaranteeing 32 silent weekends each year.
3 / On weeks where a race meeting occurs, any other two weekdays may be used for motor vehicle practice or testing.
4 / On weeks where the weekend is silent, any other three weekdays may be used for motor vehicle practice or testing.
5 / Blanket 108 DBa noise limit on all motor racing activity (except the Festival of 1000 Bikes as a historic fixture exeception).
6 / No restrictions on cycling days (even on no activity days) but with no car parking in the village.
7 / One monthly meeting of Borough Council, Parish Council, Village Representatives and Circuit Management to address any and all issues.
I don't see any of that happening, but I think it would be a reasonable compromise.
It would need a 10 percent reduction in rent / rates to make it viable, but it would mean that everyone - landlord, tenant, council and village - got 90 percent of what they wanted and that's not a bad set of odds in life.
Thanks for sharing what you know and I agree, your suggestions would seem to be the best compromise for all given the circumstances. Someone's going to dig their heels in and want all or nothing though, I'll bet.1 / 40 Race Days distributed freely but published and fixed no later than 20th February each year. (Up to 20 two day meetings)
2 / No other weekend activity at all - effectively guaranteeing 32 silent weekends each year.
3 / On weeks where a race meeting occurs, any other two weekdays may be used for motor vehicle practice or testing.
4 / On weeks where the weekend is silent, any other three weekdays may be used for motor vehicle practice or testing.
5 / Blanket 108 DBa noise limit on all motor racing activity (except the Festival of 1000 Bikes as a historic fixture exeception).
6 / No restrictions on cycling days (even on no activity days) but with no car parking in the village.
7 / One monthly meeting of Borough Council, Parish Council, Village Representatives and Circuit Management to address any and all issues.
I don't see any of that happening, but I think it would be a reasonable compromise.
It would need a 10 percent reduction in rent / rates to make it viable, but it would mean that everyone - landlord, tenant, council and village - got 90 percent of what they wanted and that's not a bad set of odds in life.
Losing the circuit would be a real shame, Mallory's always been one of my favourite circuits to visit and I always seem to get good results there.
The council stated there has to be an co-operation by both partys by allowing Motorsport to continue at Combe but with what they set which is also policed by someone from the environment,they still get complaints tho no surprise there then!!!
This has come direct from a Kirkby Mallory Pro-Circuit villager who is very much involved in protecting the circuit which has suffered recently from some short-sighted, bad judgement management decisions and has now put itself in Court. Thats a sad fact.
18 mths ago, the Mallory Park village Liaison Committee was re-activated by a ring leader with a couple of sidekicks, none of whom lived in the village prior to 1956 when became a full noise race circuit. Re-activation of the LC has divided almost equally a village/parish with around 400 affected people in it. Threats have been made by the Liaison committee anti-circuit ringleader to pro-active villagers, the Police and Council are aware.
The crunch meeting was cancelled on Wed 6th March by the LC and the villages struck and pressured Steve Atkinson who was acting as an arbitar for an amicable outcome to 'do his duty and prosecute' 5 noise infringements under the 1985 conditions. He had little choice but to set a court date. The legality of the summons been presented to the correct responsible party is perhaps yet to be determined as MPML is not the licenced operator. However, if the circuit owners have failed to protect thier investment and breaches of the agreement by the leasor have occurred then they could be held accountable, not withstanding that they could also pass all fines and costs onto the leasor/operator for said breaches.
Regarding the sale of Mallory as 2,200 housing development that utter rubbish and is irresponsible reporting by MCN and Bikesport who should know better! It is purely a tactical moral damage exercise to divide and conquer by the anti-circuit liaison committee members or the 'professionals' who are really behind the troubles.
I would draw attention to what I suspect is the real source of the problems which have been sadly fuelled by Mallory's Operators bad judgement in providing the ammo.
Between Barwell and Stapleton, directly to the south of the circuit and around a mile away as the crow flies, planning permission has been submitted - and has the support of the Council Leader Stuart Bray - for a 2,500 house development. This is a £250 MILLION POUND project. Sales of these properties (read Profit) WILL BE affect by Mallory Parks continued existence as a race circuit, on both noise and race traffic issues on top of the 5000 extra daily vehicles the housing development will bring. The building companies mention have answered honestly about a Mallory housing development interest ... but they weren't asked the right questions!
Historical facts suggest two or three villagers with incentive agendas beyond noise have suddenly gone after shutting Mallory down. This isn't something Mallory's operators and Owners can sit down and sort out. The fat cats behind the profit making at UK motorsport expense will accept only one outcome.
One idea suggested along with a visual layout that bunded earth banks topped by trees surrounding a long line of units forming a business/technology park across the whole border line with the village be built to creat a sound barrier. That eco-technologies be built into the units that can also be shared with the village as a co-operative, solar energy, micro wind turbines and rain water capture. This would also have the benefit of creating jobs and locations for start-up businesses and expanding SME's.
Hopefully whoever it is in the dock has an advocate that can secure an adjournment to allow time to create new proposals and agreements that are workable. Its my understanding that the Council is not seeking further restrictions at the Court hearing beyond the 1985 agreement. Though that might change as the noise breaches have occurred during the last 8 mths. As things stand the circuit can continue under the present 1985 noise restriction and agreement as long as its not broken.
Links: 2,500 Barwell/Stapleton Development.
http://www.hinckleytimes.net/news-in-hinckley/loca...
Full Council Statement.
http://www.hinckley-bosworth.gov.uk/press/article/...
18 mths ago, the Mallory Park village Liaison Committee was re-activated by a ring leader with a couple of sidekicks, none of whom lived in the village prior to 1956 when became a full noise race circuit. Re-activation of the LC has divided almost equally a village/parish with around 400 affected people in it. Threats have been made by the Liaison committee anti-circuit ringleader to pro-active villagers, the Police and Council are aware.
The crunch meeting was cancelled on Wed 6th March by the LC and the villages struck and pressured Steve Atkinson who was acting as an arbitar for an amicable outcome to 'do his duty and prosecute' 5 noise infringements under the 1985 conditions. He had little choice but to set a court date. The legality of the summons been presented to the correct responsible party is perhaps yet to be determined as MPML is not the licenced operator. However, if the circuit owners have failed to protect thier investment and breaches of the agreement by the leasor have occurred then they could be held accountable, not withstanding that they could also pass all fines and costs onto the leasor/operator for said breaches.
Regarding the sale of Mallory as 2,200 housing development that utter rubbish and is irresponsible reporting by MCN and Bikesport who should know better! It is purely a tactical moral damage exercise to divide and conquer by the anti-circuit liaison committee members or the 'professionals' who are really behind the troubles.
I would draw attention to what I suspect is the real source of the problems which have been sadly fuelled by Mallory's Operators bad judgement in providing the ammo.
Between Barwell and Stapleton, directly to the south of the circuit and around a mile away as the crow flies, planning permission has been submitted - and has the support of the Council Leader Stuart Bray - for a 2,500 house development. This is a £250 MILLION POUND project. Sales of these properties (read Profit) WILL BE affect by Mallory Parks continued existence as a race circuit, on both noise and race traffic issues on top of the 5000 extra daily vehicles the housing development will bring. The building companies mention have answered honestly about a Mallory housing development interest ... but they weren't asked the right questions!
Historical facts suggest two or three villagers with incentive agendas beyond noise have suddenly gone after shutting Mallory down. This isn't something Mallory's operators and Owners can sit down and sort out. The fat cats behind the profit making at UK motorsport expense will accept only one outcome.
One idea suggested along with a visual layout that bunded earth banks topped by trees surrounding a long line of units forming a business/technology park across the whole border line with the village be built to creat a sound barrier. That eco-technologies be built into the units that can also be shared with the village as a co-operative, solar energy, micro wind turbines and rain water capture. This would also have the benefit of creating jobs and locations for start-up businesses and expanding SME's.
Hopefully whoever it is in the dock has an advocate that can secure an adjournment to allow time to create new proposals and agreements that are workable. Its my understanding that the Council is not seeking further restrictions at the Court hearing beyond the 1985 agreement. Though that might change as the noise breaches have occurred during the last 8 mths. As things stand the circuit can continue under the present 1985 noise restriction and agreement as long as its not broken.
Links: 2,500 Barwell/Stapleton Development.
http://www.hinckleytimes.net/news-in-hinckley/loca...
Full Council Statement.
http://www.hinckley-bosworth.gov.uk/press/article/...
Edited by Indigo Scout on Sunday 10th March 00:42
Castle Combe has a housing estate built right next to the circuit not a huge one but there are a fair few houses on it,the problem also seems to lye when people buying houses in the area not all the searches mention anything about a racing circuit but to be fair there are plenty of signs pointing to the circuits where abouts.
If the council adopt the same attitude at Mallory as the the North Wilts council did at Combe racing should be able to continue but with a 108dba limit its works but won't attract international and some national race meetings due to noise regulations.
If the council adopt the same attitude at Mallory as the the North Wilts council did at Combe racing should be able to continue but with a 108dba limit its works but won't attract international and some national race meetings due to noise regulations.
at the end of the day,weve had major problems with noise since the early 90's! why are we even still having these kind of conversations over noise? surely any racing albeit quieter is better than none at all?
its about time the bigger motorsport series took notice and made the likes of F3/Gt's etc quieter for the good of all racing! every motorsport fan likes noisy cars but unfortunately the minority in the vicinity of the circuits dont,so unless we keep handing these restrictions to them on a plate by still being noisy the only decision is to make race cars quieter!
i went to Mallory on a test day a few years ago when they had some historic F1 cars on track and they were that noisy it actually hurt your ears! yes they sounded great but surely its better to have these cars on track albeit quieter than to lose the tracks full stop?
what i can never get my head around is why do the courts/councils always find favour with the minority doing the complaining? do they ever sit down and think what happens if we completely closed the track? think of the amount of business the likes of Combe bring into the local area with people staying in local Hotels etc,circuit closes not only do the people at the circuit lose their jobs a hell of a lot of local businesses who survive on the circuits use would go also!
one more point,more to do with the likes of Thruxton,they have the main A303 i think it is that is dual carriagewayed passing the same area that the residents who complain about the noise of the circuit. Surely the constant noise of this road is far more of a nuisance than the noise from the circuit so why has this road never been closed??? it just goes to show how narrow minded the councils really are!
my dad used to be involved on the board of a local kart circuit and they used to go into the local village on race days with a noise meter and used to get higher readings from the wind blowing through the trees than from the alleged nuisance Karts!
its about time the bigger motorsport series took notice and made the likes of F3/Gt's etc quieter for the good of all racing! every motorsport fan likes noisy cars but unfortunately the minority in the vicinity of the circuits dont,so unless we keep handing these restrictions to them on a plate by still being noisy the only decision is to make race cars quieter!
i went to Mallory on a test day a few years ago when they had some historic F1 cars on track and they were that noisy it actually hurt your ears! yes they sounded great but surely its better to have these cars on track albeit quieter than to lose the tracks full stop?
what i can never get my head around is why do the courts/councils always find favour with the minority doing the complaining? do they ever sit down and think what happens if we completely closed the track? think of the amount of business the likes of Combe bring into the local area with people staying in local Hotels etc,circuit closes not only do the people at the circuit lose their jobs a hell of a lot of local businesses who survive on the circuits use would go also!
one more point,more to do with the likes of Thruxton,they have the main A303 i think it is that is dual carriagewayed passing the same area that the residents who complain about the noise of the circuit. Surely the constant noise of this road is far more of a nuisance than the noise from the circuit so why has this road never been closed??? it just goes to show how narrow minded the councils really are!
my dad used to be involved on the board of a local kart circuit and they used to go into the local village on race days with a noise meter and used to get higher readings from the wind blowing through the trees than from the alleged nuisance Karts!
Edited by refoman2 on Sunday 10th March 19:46
NJH said:
Its also an active airfield, makes any debate about a few cars running around the perimeter seem more than a tad pathetic.
This circuit? http://goo.gl/maps/w8t1xIt good to read about the local politicking. Please do not forget to sign the petition. http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/46739
Keep up , things have moved along greatly :
All staff have been given 90 day redundancy notice.
http://www.hinckleytimes.net/news-in-hinckley/loca...
Mallory Park bosses deny noise allegations
Apr 25 2013 by Ben Eccleston, Hinckley Times
MALLORY Park bosses have denied five charges of breaching noise restrictions as the row over noise levels continues to rumble on.
The allegations that the circuit in Kirkby Mallory hosted events on five Saturdays last summer when they shouldn’t have were put to them at Leicester Magistrates’ Court on Friday but they deny any wrongdoing.
The case has been brought against them by Hinckley and Bosworth Borough Council following a number of complaints from villagers over the level of noise coming from the track and Mallory Park (Motorsport) Ltd have also been accused of ignoring a statutory notice from 1985 which states the number of days on which activities can be held.
The case was adjourned until May 14 for a pre-trial hearing when a date for full trial is likely to be set.
Steve Atkinson, chief executive of the borough council, said: “It was important - and right - that we pursued the organisation for clear breaches of a Statutory Notice during the latter part of 2012. Therefore, I welcome the decision to commit the matter for a pre-trial hearing on May 14.
“I had indicated earlier to Mallory Park that I would be prepared to accept an adjournment. However that had been on the basis that significant progress would have been made by now towards revised arrangements in respect of frequency of use and noise levels.
“Unfortunately that has not happened and the council would have done a great disservice to Kirkby Mallory residents if it had not pursued the case. I notified Mallory Park management of this position on April 8 and their solicitors were informed directly on April 11.
“Despite this outcome, the council is still committed to an amicable and early resolution of the wider issue for all concerned, notwithstanding the continuation of this legal process.”
All staff have been given 90 day redundancy notice.
http://www.hinckleytimes.net/news-in-hinckley/loca...
Mallory Park bosses deny noise allegations
Apr 25 2013 by Ben Eccleston, Hinckley Times
MALLORY Park bosses have denied five charges of breaching noise restrictions as the row over noise levels continues to rumble on.
The allegations that the circuit in Kirkby Mallory hosted events on five Saturdays last summer when they shouldn’t have were put to them at Leicester Magistrates’ Court on Friday but they deny any wrongdoing.
The case has been brought against them by Hinckley and Bosworth Borough Council following a number of complaints from villagers over the level of noise coming from the track and Mallory Park (Motorsport) Ltd have also been accused of ignoring a statutory notice from 1985 which states the number of days on which activities can be held.
The case was adjourned until May 14 for a pre-trial hearing when a date for full trial is likely to be set.
Steve Atkinson, chief executive of the borough council, said: “It was important - and right - that we pursued the organisation for clear breaches of a Statutory Notice during the latter part of 2012. Therefore, I welcome the decision to commit the matter for a pre-trial hearing on May 14.
“I had indicated earlier to Mallory Park that I would be prepared to accept an adjournment. However that had been on the basis that significant progress would have been made by now towards revised arrangements in respect of frequency of use and noise levels.
“Unfortunately that has not happened and the council would have done a great disservice to Kirkby Mallory residents if it had not pursued the case. I notified Mallory Park management of this position on April 8 and their solicitors were informed directly on April 11.
“Despite this outcome, the council is still committed to an amicable and early resolution of the wider issue for all concerned, notwithstanding the continuation of this legal process.”
MCN reporting on it, meeting on July 10th (This wednesday)
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults...
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults...
skeggysteve said:
I guess that's what happens when you drag a court case out over two years. They knew they were in breach, they've been pretty stupid.A story I was told which I don't know if correct but it sounds reasonable.
When Rockingham was first opened, a team of environmental inspectors were called out to a village some distance away to investigate how the wailing of race cars (Cart I believe at the time) was affecting village life, in particular the church services. Noise tests were carried out but were unusable as the sound of the congregation, a blackbird that wouldn't stop singing and the occasional toll of the church bells were such that no positive reading could be taken of the barely audible distant race car. I was told that a small contribution was made to the church roof fund and everyone went away happy.
On a less positive note, I owned a bar for a short while and was served notice to reduce noise emissions to zero or face closure. (I do actually mean zero here. I think ambient at 3am was 35db)The readings taken by the environmental studies group were very low apart from the talking of guests outside using the smoking shelter. The only other noise registered was from wind chimes in the garden of the complainant some 300m away which were louder than the music from the club. I got shut down anyway, so the moral of the story is that once the NIMBYs and the council get together, you're dealing with a bunch of idiots you are liable not to beat.
Good luck to Mallory. Raced there last week and it's a brilliant little circuit.
When Rockingham was first opened, a team of environmental inspectors were called out to a village some distance away to investigate how the wailing of race cars (Cart I believe at the time) was affecting village life, in particular the church services. Noise tests were carried out but were unusable as the sound of the congregation, a blackbird that wouldn't stop singing and the occasional toll of the church bells were such that no positive reading could be taken of the barely audible distant race car. I was told that a small contribution was made to the church roof fund and everyone went away happy.
On a less positive note, I owned a bar for a short while and was served notice to reduce noise emissions to zero or face closure. (I do actually mean zero here. I think ambient at 3am was 35db)The readings taken by the environmental studies group were very low apart from the talking of guests outside using the smoking shelter. The only other noise registered was from wind chimes in the garden of the complainant some 300m away which were louder than the music from the club. I got shut down anyway, so the moral of the story is that once the NIMBYs and the council get together, you're dealing with a bunch of idiots you are liable not to beat.
Good luck to Mallory. Raced there last week and it's a brilliant little circuit.
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