No wheels off...
Discussion
BertBert said:
yes we are in agreement of course! I just think the rules as they are, can be enforced sensibly. In the Radicals it seems that they are reasonably actively enforced and we are focussed on keeping two wheels on.
Bert
Agreed, but in practice it seems the existing rules are not enforced consistently across some series, so we all push them as far as we can, with the result that nobody takes them seriously.Bert
Just moving the goalpost will not change this i fear.
I think that if we are told that the rules will be enforced and they actually are there will be an almighty argument the first time this happens as most people would face a penalty. But in race 2 we would all behave and quickly learn.
Its like dealing with kids, if you let them get away with things they never learn and keep pushing the boundaries, give them a slap on the wrist the first time they step out of line and they will be reluctant to do it again.
The two wheels on rule is a great rule, I think it's fair to say no one takes the piss at it stands. At least they don't in our series. I'm massively against any rule though that'll mean more penalties and more post race intervention. One wheel off is way too extreme, if the rule was such a great idea it'd be in place globally. It isn't.
My fear is that I'll now have to be even more wary of making a mistake during a race - knowing that I've got even less margin for error. The sad thing is I just don't believe it adds anything positive and I also don't believe anyone will be better off. As for those that believe that all front runners only are doing so because they are corner cutting or taking more exit curb, that's nonsense. The people at the front will always be at the front because they are just quicker, more committed.
My fear is that I'll now have to be even more wary of making a mistake during a race - knowing that I've got even less margin for error. The sad thing is I just don't believe it adds anything positive and I also don't believe anyone will be better off. As for those that believe that all front runners only are doing so because they are corner cutting or taking more exit curb, that's nonsense. The people at the front will always be at the front because they are just quicker, more committed.
I agree. Old rule was perfect.
FIA should be required to ratify this change, but I doubt other national bodies would support it, so MSA could be putting British drivers at a disadvantage whereby they have to relearn cornering technique when moving up to international champs.
Also, UK circuits should be asked to remove the white line on the track edge of the kerb and paint it on the outside edge to avoid confusion over where the track limit is.
FIA should be required to ratify this change, but I doubt other national bodies would support it, so MSA could be putting British drivers at a disadvantage whereby they have to relearn cornering technique when moving up to international champs.
Also, UK circuits should be asked to remove the white line on the track edge of the kerb and paint it on the outside edge to avoid confusion over where the track limit is.
chrisb0 said:
Agreed, but in practice it seems the existing rules are not enforced consistently across some series, so we all push them as far as we can, with the result that nobody takes them seriously.
They are consistently enforced in some series. Noticed that 29 out of 38 drivers had times disallowed for track limits in the BRSCC Mx5 championship at Brands yesterday. :-D It was the same at Anglesey.Dan
djroadboy said:
They are consistently enforced in some series. Noticed that 29 out of 38 drivers had times disallowed for track limits in the BRSCC Mx5 championship at Brands yesterday. :-D It was the same at Anglesey.
Dan
To be totally honest i don't have an argument with the new rules, its the application that worries me.Dan
In all the races i have entered I have never seen any penalties for track limits.
But we are at Snetterton next weekend so it will be interesting to see what happens there, perhaps they have been given the word from on high to clamp down on track limits.
I'm starting to see them now, first experienced it 3y ago. Graham Hill bend.
Its getting worse for sure. Alot worse and I'm worried about next year.
In my experience its alot more prevalent in club racing. The major series don't seem to be so aggressive about it at this stage.
I just hope common sense prevails.
Its getting worse for sure. Alot worse and I'm worried about next year.
In my experience its alot more prevalent in club racing. The major series don't seem to be so aggressive about it at this stage.
I just hope common sense prevails.
Just another example of the MSA creating confusion in their use of words. IN FACT,this ruling has been in the offing for quite some time! White Line defines the edge of the track,the White Line is in between the edge of the track and kerbing,so really the kerbing should be considered as out of bounds. Basicly,the MSA are looking for improved driving,not relying on kerbing to keep the speed up.Imagine when tracks were just that,no kerbing at all and if you did put a wheel off it was classed as a mistake! One driver of note even earned the nick name of " Black Jack" [Brabham],simply because when being pushed,he used the "dirty" trick of driving off on the edge of the grass in the hopes of throwing up dust/stones to discourage the chasing driver.The message is,"in between the white lines is ours,the rest is theirs".
tristancliffe said:
Good article in this weeks Autosport about it. It actually tempered my view of the change, so maybe it won't be a bad thing at all if they can police it right (consistently, without being too draconian, and without turning each session into a witch hunt).
you mean the article written by Jonathan Palmer?. Yeah it was a great article, completely balanced and confirmed what we know already = that grass seed is f
king expensive in Kent, Norfolk, Cheshire and Lincolnshire.remind me: How many millions did MSV make last year?
Pretty much every other circuit in the world seems to cope with drivers using curbs. I don't see why we should be different. bks to what Palmer thinks or how he tries to justify it. Its all about more for his bottom line and with something this controversial I think that's just wrong frankly. He's got too much influence within the MSA and now they are making bad decisions
ks to what Palmer thinks or how he tries to justify it. Its all about more for his bottom line and with something this controversial I think that's just wrong frankly. He's got too much influence within the MSA and now they are making bad decisions Nice to see that the CSCC have written to the MSA about this
"The CSCC are writing to the MSA to express our view that 14.4.2 could be difficult to enforce
reliably and consistently. As it stands the Classic Sports Car Club will have to enforce
these rules next year so it is very important that everyone fully understands them"
"The CSCC are writing to the MSA to express our view that 14.4.2 could be difficult to enforce
reliably and consistently. As it stands the Classic Sports Car Club will have to enforce
these rules next year so it is very important that everyone fully understands them"
Jerry Can said:
you mean the article written by Jonathan Palmer?. Yeah it was a great article, completely balanced and confirmed what we know already = that grass seed is fking expensive in Kent, Norfolk, Cheshire and Lincolnshire.
remind me: How many millions did MSV make last year?
king expensive in Kent, Norfolk, Cheshire and Lincolnshire.remind me: How many millions did MSV make last year?
Didn't see who wrote it. Sorry!
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