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There is one club I am aware of that opted (as is the clerks prerogative) to apply time penalties after the finish rather than use drive through etc as the length of the races is such that they would not be completed in time. I understand this was communicated at drivers briefings and to co-ordinators.
As for the other I`m afraid at Brands at least I can be sure the start line marshal is incorrect but would not know he was, because it would have been filtered out like I said before the instruction was passed to him.
I am very sure that myself and my colleagues (there are only a few of us) note the point when the warning flag has been presented to the driver on the trigger log and would not escalate further to the clerk before it was taken.
As said before the clerk may review the log at any time and decide a course of action but I am only aware of 1 club that has taken this route and this year. I have worked with I think every club that visits brands at least once sometimes several times this year. Bearing in mind that many clerks are on duty for more than one club or series.
Just reread your post. of course the warning flag is only presented after the second infringement during a race so there would be one infringement that goes un-notified to the driver as everyone gets a bye as it were.
what I would say is that every clerk obviously has their own way of working and enforcing the rule our role is to provide consistent, quality information and reports for the clerk to consider.
As for the other I`m afraid at Brands at least I can be sure the start line marshal is incorrect but would not know he was, because it would have been filtered out like I said before the instruction was passed to him.
I am very sure that myself and my colleagues (there are only a few of us) note the point when the warning flag has been presented to the driver on the trigger log and would not escalate further to the clerk before it was taken.
As said before the clerk may review the log at any time and decide a course of action but I am only aware of 1 club that has taken this route and this year. I have worked with I think every club that visits brands at least once sometimes several times this year. Bearing in mind that many clerks are on duty for more than one club or series.
Just reread your post. of course the warning flag is only presented after the second infringement during a race so there would be one infringement that goes un-notified to the driver as everyone gets a bye as it were.
what I would say is that every clerk obviously has their own way of working and enforcing the rule our role is to provide consistent, quality information and reports for the clerk to consider.
Edited by mad4amanda on Saturday 18th October 13:36
Greensleeves said:
Mad4amanda.
What you have said is how I would have interpreted the rules and would be a fair way of implementing them. But unfortunately, I'm informed that this is not how they are run. You can accrue sufficient black marks to receive penalties before you know you have them. It also explains previous posts where someone said they had penalties applied after the finish and without warning.
My source of info is from a start line marshal.
That's totally correct. Sometimes they don't have time to show a warning flag and you have no idea you're in a position where you might get a penalty for something you have no idea has happened.What you have said is how I would have interpreted the rules and would be a fair way of implementing them. But unfortunately, I'm informed that this is not how they are run. You can accrue sufficient black marks to receive penalties before you know you have them. It also explains previous posts where someone said they had penalties applied after the finish and without warning.
My source of info is from a start line marshal.
I truly do not understand how Mad4amanda being a MSV employee cannot see beyond Palmers brain washing about his bloody grass that the rule and more importantly how it applies isn't working for the drivers.
Palmer needs to pay for some type of display that automatically updates in multiple locations around the track so we can understand if a penalty is being applied to us or for that matter another driver. Either that are an in car one way system as used by the Legends (something I'd like to see being implemented across all club sport)
I hate this rule but I hate it more for how inconsistently it's applied
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