Dunlop Porsche Cup - new series from the CSCC
Discussion
andy97 said:
Interesting points Steve. Worth considering but no idea how you impose Parc Ferme rules practically when we have a very small number of staff/ helpers - everyone wants to work/ check cars between sessions, even me! Remember we routinely have 300+ cars over a race weekend and we will want a consistent approach across the series.
How do you ban multiple engine maps - how do you know they are there? A little story: several years ago POrsche 944 Turbos were allowed to race in the Porsche club series; the rules allowed something like 250 Bhp + 2bhp tolerance and the cars had to be tested on Bob Watson's rolling road at the start of the season, or randomly as required.
The 944 Turbos were always within tolerance on the RR; on the track they blew everyone away. The organisers suspected cheating and multiple maps but could not prove it. In fact there were multiple maps but they were on some form of rotary switch on the front wheels. On the rolling road the front wheels were not turning so it was the standard map. On the track the front wheels were turning and it was a different map giving something like 300 Bhp.
They ended up banning all 944Ts.
Maybe we'll just put all the over 2.8 litre BMWs in to the top class instead of all the >3.0 litres?? Difficult to frame rules that are equitable for all. On sunday, I even had BMW drivers complaining about the legality of other BMWs.
No idea how the Dunlop POrsche series have managed their rules - ask Chris Clark, their co-ordinator.
There was a guy who had a "special map" connected to an electric window switch in another series. How do you ban multiple engine maps - how do you know they are there? A little story: several years ago POrsche 944 Turbos were allowed to race in the Porsche club series; the rules allowed something like 250 Bhp + 2bhp tolerance and the cars had to be tested on Bob Watson's rolling road at the start of the season, or randomly as required.
The 944 Turbos were always within tolerance on the RR; on the track they blew everyone away. The organisers suspected cheating and multiple maps but could not prove it. In fact there were multiple maps but they were on some form of rotary switch on the front wheels. On the rolling road the front wheels were not turning so it was the standard map. On the track the front wheels were turning and it was a different map giving something like 300 Bhp.
They ended up banning all 944Ts.
Maybe we'll just put all the over 2.8 litre BMWs in to the top class instead of all the >3.0 litres?? Difficult to frame rules that are equitable for all. On sunday, I even had BMW drivers complaining about the legality of other BMWs.
No idea how the Dunlop POrsche series have managed their rules - ask Chris Clark, their co-ordinator.
Open ECUs are the only way to go - there's little cost involved in ECU programming anyway and it's virtually impossible to police.
Sorry about hijaking this thread to talk about the MC race but following the points above:
Firstly, the Smith's are quick, both of them.
Secondly, if you take the rules at face value and look at what is the best car to get in terms of its balance between weight, power and handling: its an E36 M3.
Thirdly, even if the rules are relatively 'open' particularly on engine development, no one is taking the **** so far.
For example, our 996 is running a bog standard 75k mile 3.4 ltr engine. All we (or rather the guys at Lodge Sports) have done is put a Porsche baffled sump on it, put fresh plugs, filters and fluids in it and checked it for compression/leaks etc. and that car could have been on pole at the weekend if I'd strung my fastest sectors together. So its not necessarily about cheque book racing and if we all share the same mentality of wanting close but fair competition I have high hopes it won't get that way.
I've raced in the CSCC for a number of years now, in classes at both ends of the grid and the series are great. Sometimes you have the right car to do the job, sometimes you don't but it might change at the next track due to the competitors racing and the suitability of your car to a particular type of track. But, and its a great big BUT, the CSCC have got the right formula because all their grids are heaving so you've always got someone to race, even if they are not in the same class as you, and at the end of the day its all about the wheel-to-wheel and the camaraderie. Trophies are nice but a good race is better.
Firstly, the Smith's are quick, both of them.
Secondly, if you take the rules at face value and look at what is the best car to get in terms of its balance between weight, power and handling: its an E36 M3.
Thirdly, even if the rules are relatively 'open' particularly on engine development, no one is taking the **** so far.
For example, our 996 is running a bog standard 75k mile 3.4 ltr engine. All we (or rather the guys at Lodge Sports) have done is put a Porsche baffled sump on it, put fresh plugs, filters and fluids in it and checked it for compression/leaks etc. and that car could have been on pole at the weekend if I'd strung my fastest sectors together. So its not necessarily about cheque book racing and if we all share the same mentality of wanting close but fair competition I have high hopes it won't get that way.
I've raced in the CSCC for a number of years now, in classes at both ends of the grid and the series are great. Sometimes you have the right car to do the job, sometimes you don't but it might change at the next track due to the competitors racing and the suitability of your car to a particular type of track. But, and its a great big BUT, the CSCC have got the right formula because all their grids are heaving so you've always got someone to race, even if they are not in the same class as you, and at the end of the day its all about the wheel-to-wheel and the camaraderie. Trophies are nice but a good race is better.
Dwmotorsport your last sentence is the most sense I have heard for years mate. That's the spirit and reason I have switched from Championship bulls
te to this MC series and I have totally enjoyed my last two races, the regs are fine as they are I think. If you have the cash spend it if not just do your best.
te to this MC series and I have totally enjoyed my last two races, the regs are fine as they are I think. If you have the cash spend it if not just do your best. Come on drivers. Only 6 entered for brands. There are 18 drivers registered for the series. Why register if you are not going to race. You cant all have problems with your race cars. It is and will be a good series. but if you want it to be a success you need to turn up and race. Or are there things wrong with the class that you dont like. The rules look good to me. Bazz
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