Dunlop Porsche Cup - new series from the CSCC

[43SteveC]

What are peoples thoughts on the new Porsche Series being set up to run under the Classic Sports Car Club?

For those that didnt know about it some more info here:

Dunlop Production Cup for Porsche is intended to be a series of races for production-based Porsche cars, and in order to keep costs to a minimum, very few modifications will be allowed. With the exception of safety equipment, the cars should remain standard in profile and construction. A Dunlop DZ03G control tyre must be used by all competitors. Standard horsepower for the model raced should remain as near to production power as possible.

Race Programme

Dunlop Production Cup for Porsche will be contested over 8 rounds at the following UK venues, plus Spa Francorchamps:

- Snetterton (300) - 12th/13th April
- Silverstone (National) - 10th/11th May
- Brands Hatch (Indy) - 31st May/1st June
- Spa Francorchamps (Inter-series) - 27th/28th/29th June
- Castle Combe - 12th/13th July
- Anglesey (Coastal) - 2nd/3rd August
- Donington Park - 30th/31st August
- Oulton Park (International) - 20th or 27th September
- Snetterton (200) - 18th/19th October

All the UK race weekends will be a double-header format of 1 x 20 minutes qualifying with 2 x 20 minute races, all on one day. There are no pit stops and no success penalties will be applied in subsequent races.
At Spa Francorchamps competitors will be invited to participate in 2 x 30 minute Inter-series races, which form part of the Spa Summer Classic programme.

[andy97]

Just like to point out that this isn't actually a CSCC series, it is being organised and run by a separate company who are buying track time off the CSCC in exactly the same way that others do. Hopefully it will go well and hopefully some of the participants will also choose to race in "Future Classics" and "Modern Classics" as well for max value for money each race weekend.

[43SteveC]

Sorry I should have phrased that as running with the CSCC.

Can only be a good thing with lots of eligible Porsches already running in Future & Modern Classics. Should be interesting to see how many drivers it attracts as it should be considerably cheaper to run in than the Porsche Club & PDA Championships.

[stuartj]

Any regs available yet, please?

[woof]

stuartj said:

Any regs available yet, please?

Yep - need to see the regs and class information please

[43SteveC]

I'am supposed to be getting the latest regs sent to me on Monday but the class structure and weights should be:


Class 1 cars 996 Carrera 2 (3.4) 1350 Kg
Cayman S (3.4) 1320 Kg
993 (3.6) 1300 Kg
Boxster ‘S’ 1999-2002 1270 Kg
2003-2004 1280 Kg
2005-2007 1310 Kg
2007-2009 1380 Kg
928 GTS (5.4) 1450 Kg

Class 2 cars 968 and Boxster (2.7) 1250 Kg
964 (3.6) 1320 Kg
Boxster (2.5) 1210 Kg

Class 3 cars 944 S2 and 911 (3.2) Carrera 1150 Kg
911 SC 1100 Kg

I'll post the full regs on Monday. From what I'am being told its being officially launched at the Autosport Show £150 registration fee, entry fees similar to CSCC rates and tyres well under a grand a set (and they should last a good few meetings).

[woof]

Sounds like an interesting format.
A much better calendar than the BRSCC PDA Porsche series and one day events are considerable cheaper than their 2 day events.
You'll probably save £10k on that fact alone.

[NJH]

stuartj said:

Any regs available yet, please?

Stuart call Kevin or Alex at EMC. Your car will go well in class 3, should be like Porsche club 5+ years ago before it disappeared up its own arse.

[Shoestringracer]

Will be interesting to see how Boxster / Cayman do against 911.

[43SteveC]

I prefer one day events myself, that was one of the things that attracted me to Porsche Club racing last season. Most of the races were on a Saturday, no hotel bills and kept the misses happy as we still had Sunday free. Its the £1100 for a set of tyres that you need to replace for every meeting to be competitive that's going to put me of for 2014.

For almost the same cost of the Porsche Club entry fees I could do the Modern Classics race on the same day as well.

[stuartj]

I think the only problem for those of us who do CSCC Future or Modern Classics now is that many of us have worked hard on weight reduction (and a bit of limited tuning) to get the cars quick and reliable over 40 minutes – if I had to run at 1,150 kgs in the 3.2 Carrera for example, I would need to re-add a fair amount of ballast compared to the c 1,030 kgs I run at in FC’s……….. but I will wait for the regs and see if running in both at some circuits is a possibility……and I may have a quiet word with Mr E…….

[NJH]

Is that 1030 Kg including yourself Stuart. No wonder you're so quick that is seriously light. Lightest S2s I have heard of are around 1080 Kg without the driver.

[stuartj]

Ah, good point – my car is about 1,030 kgs devoid of fuel or driver – but even with those I would probably still be 20kgs or so under the weight the new series stipulates. All my weight savings have been via plastic panels – doors, windows, bumpers and bonnet – so are reversible, but my point was that anyone wanting to run in the CSCC series and the new series on the same day might have to make some compromises to be eligible for the latter.

[wildman0609]

NJH said:

Is that 1030 Kg including yourself Stuart. No wonder you're so quick that is seriously light. Lightest S2s I have heard of are around 1080 Kg without the driver.

there are at least 2x S2's out there that are 960kg, and mine weighs less than 1080kg, but I weight more than 100kg so I could meet weight limit for an S2.

having a 964 run at 1320kg doesn't sound like fun at all so wouldn't bother with that.

does the regs allow for the use of plastic panels and plastic windows?

[woof]

NJH said:

stuartj said:

Any regs available yet, please?

Stuart call Kevin or Alex at EMC. Your car will go well in class 3, should be like Porsche club 5+ years ago before it disappeared up its own arse.

NJH - could you drop me a message please - wanted an offline chat re PCGB

[43SteveC]

I've been told that Chris Clark is going to be the series co-ordinator and there should be a website up soon with the full regs but anyone interested in the mean time should email Kevin or Alex at [e-mail].

I don't think they're allowing plastic side windows & screens though which might rule out quite a few of the future / modern classics drivers. GRP panels are allowed though.

[woof]

Just to confirm - because I have the regs in front of me. Plastic side windows are only allowed on the Boxster. I would assume it also covers the rear window as well.

[spad78]

Would it not be extremely sensible to standardise the regs between championships and encourage people to do both?

[woof]

Not sure how many people would want to do
2 x 20mins qualifying
1 x 40min race
2 x 20min races

That's a lot of track time/wear and tear - not to say being hard work !

Edited by woof on Wednesday 4th December 14:25

[spad78]

We currently do Future and Modern Classics, we are hopelessly off the pace in Modern as the E36 M3's are just way ahead but the costs of getting there etc. are then shared across more track time and when there are two of you, you get to start a race each, finish a race each etc. It is always a bit of a rush and we are invariably late for one thing or another...