MSV Team Trophy & Trackday Trophy 2014
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If only! I race by myself but I can say that some races last year I was a stone lighter at the end of a 45min race. Rockingham in particular was ridiculously hot, the intake temps were up at 34C so no idea how hot it was in the car!
Just off the phone to MSV for booking myself onto Jan 25th Brands Hatch trackday for a bit of testing (remember we get 10% off!). I asked about the class changes in the TT and it was mentioned that they are looking into how to increase grid sizes but nothing more specific than that.
Would getting a discount on paying for all the rounds up front help get more runners?
This may be controversial but how about a handicap on the length of time for pitting depending on your place on the grid or by what class youre in to make the racing closer? It may be too difficult to marshal??
Say Class A 2 mins, Class B 1.50, Class C 1.40 and Class D 1.30?? (with the same extra 10sec for solo drivers).
Just off the phone to MSV for booking myself onto Jan 25th Brands Hatch trackday for a bit of testing (remember we get 10% off!). I asked about the class changes in the TT and it was mentioned that they are looking into how to increase grid sizes but nothing more specific than that.
Would getting a discount on paying for all the rounds up front help get more runners?
This may be controversial but how about a handicap on the length of time for pitting depending on your place on the grid or by what class youre in to make the racing closer? It may be too difficult to marshal??
Say Class A 2 mins, Class B 1.50, Class C 1.40 and Class D 1.30?? (with the same extra 10sec for solo drivers).
TroubledSoul said:
How come the TDT website shows no Class A?
Can you win the overall TDT or are you always only competing to win your class? The reason I ask, is because I don't want to regret building a 328i track car over an M3.
Class A was always TT only.Can you win the overall TDT or are you always only competing to win your class? The reason I ask, is because I don't want to regret building a 328i track car over an M3.
You can win overall in TDT but I think from memory trophies are only given out for Class wins so effectively you're only racing against you're own class.
Just for reference there were virtually no cars running Class D in TT last year - hence the reason for getting rid of it ?
Dont you get Trophies for 1st, 2nd and 3rd overall and then trophies for Class classifications? I.e. if you win overall youll get a trophy for coming first and another trophy for say coming first in Class A.
Im hesitant as I was never in that position!!
When I say win overall thats only on a race by race basis as neither TDT or TT are run as championships.
Im hesitant as I was never in that position!!
When I say win overall thats only on a race by race basis as neither TDT or TT are run as championships.
staceyboy said:
I totally agree with all of this.
I totally agree with all of this too, and the earlier comment about making TT into a championship (with TDT as an entry level series). There's definitely support for this amongst some of the other drivers. The average grid size for TT was over 20 cars, with over 30 cars in some rounds. At Cadwell, TT enjoyed the biggest grid of the day. Sure, grids could have been bigger in a few of the rounds, but trying to fix this by allowing fast and expensive cars in at the top seems to me like a gamble because it relies on current TT teams not being put off by expensive, high power cars flying by.
I'm definitely going to do the first round to see what its like racing with the faster cars. Also, do we know if the Brands GP race is all comers again, because it is only listed on TDT calendar?
Trek930 said:
Dont you get Trophies for 1st, 2nd and 3rd overall and then trophies for Class classifications? I.e. if you win overall youll get a trophy for coming first and another trophy for say coming first in Class A.
Im hesitant as I was never in that position!!
When I say win overall thats only on a race by race basis as neither TDT or TT are run as championships.
No they don't have an overall podium - they used to, but it wasn't fair to the lower power class cars to never have the chance to spray the bubbly. Now each of the class winners gets to go on the podium instead. Much better.Im hesitant as I was never in that position!!
When I say win overall thats only on a race by race basis as neither TDT or TT are run as championships.
TroubledSoul said:
How come the TDT website shows no Class A?
Can you win the overall TDT or are you always only competing to win your class? The reason I ask, is because I don't want to regret building a 328i track car over an M3.
Youll have to figure out what your long term goals are with the car. If your plan is to progress to the TT and then on to other championships that require more BHP id personally go for the M3 route and ballast it to make the 175bhp/ton Class B in TDT (i.e. dont fully strip it, and you can run up to 80kg ballast anyway). Then you can move up to Class A in TT easily and onwards from there. Ive hamstrung myself somewhat by wanting to be unique and spent a sCan you win the overall TDT or are you always only competing to win your class? The reason I ask, is because I don't want to regret building a 328i track car over an M3.
tload on the ST220 knowing as some point I want to make a change to RWD!Trek930 said:
Youll have to figure out what your long term goals are with the car. If your plan is to progress to the TT and then on to other championships that require more BHP id personally go for the M3 route and ballast it to make the 175bhp/ton Class B in TDT (i.e. dont fully strip it, and you can run up to 80kg ballast anyway). Then you can move up to Class A in TT easily and onwards from there. Ive hamstrung myself somewhat by wanting to be unique and spent a stload on the ST220 knowing as some point I want to make a change to RWD!
Sure, but I gather TT would have classes I could still compete in using the 328?tload on the ST220 knowing as some point I want to make a change to RWD!Suppose it all boils down to initial outlay for me right now. An M3 3.0 would only be around 240bhp at the wheels so should make the cut without ballast once my lard and fuel are accounted for.
Unfortunately I don't think I can afford an M3 until later in the year....
TroubledSoul said:
Sure, but I gather TT would have classes I could still compete in using the 328?
Suppose it all boils down to initial outlay for me right now. An M3 3.0 would only be around 240bhp at the wheels so should make the cut without ballast once my lard and fuel are accounted for.
Unfortunately I don't think I can afford an M3 until later in the year....
Definitely, you could just go from Class B in TDT to Class B in TT like I am. It was more a long term thought on money v competitiveness v fun. You dont want to spend cash on a car and then realise it limits your options.Suppose it all boils down to initial outlay for me right now. An M3 3.0 would only be around 240bhp at the wheels so should make the cut without ballast once my lard and fuel are accounted for.
Unfortunately I don't think I can afford an M3 until later in the year....
There's a nice 318 compact for sale :
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/motorsport/...
That would be a great starter car for TDT - then build up to an M3
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/motorsport/...
That would be a great starter car for TDT - then build up to an M3
bromers2 said:
There's a nice 318 compact for sale :
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/motorsport/...
That would be a great starter car for TDT - then build up to an M3
Possibly but a lack of power would drive me insane. I've already got an MR2 roadster I'd use were it not for the lack of power being a bug bear! http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/motorsport/...
That would be a great starter car for TDT - then build up to an M3
bromers2 said:
Just for reference there were virtually no cars running Class D in TT last year - hence the reason for getting rid of it ?
If they weren't turfing out everyone from TDT who'd done 6 rounds, I'd say fair enough. But where are they supposed to go? Never mind the E runners lol who've done six rounds. They've just totally eliminated their existing customers by not running a series for them. It's weird quite frankly. Anyone know of the no sun roof rule applies only to glass, or to metal ones too? Emailed the organisers but not heard back yet...
It strikes me that taking a year to build the car and get some track tuition etc. Will be my best route seeing as it appears you only get one shot at taking part in this.
It strikes me that taking a year to build the car and get some track tuition etc. Will be my best route seeing as it appears you only get one shot at taking part in this.
MSVT are making this more difficult for themselves than they need to. Great idea to solicit customer feedback at the end of last season and apparently new regs are proposed, so it'd be helpful if they consulted again. Then we'd all have clarity instead of resorting to discussing on PH and the FB group. TT and TDT are excellent series. Classification by power to weight make them the fairest and closely fought of their kind. The frustration I encountered in other series of being uncompetitive in class unless I joined an arms race don't exist, esp if P/W is policed via mobile RR and map reads at races, which is a positive proposal. Allowing 250bhp/ton cars like early 996 GT3 and kicking out traditional customers in Fiestas, MR2s, 318i etc from TT is not, but is that really what's being proposed? MSVT should have a driver meeting so everyone can air their views behind closed doors instead of on PH.
You're probably right, Stace. If I could afford to run a GT3 I'd be doing Britcar not TT. More likely cars like CSCC's all-conquering modified E36 M3s, and maybe also Ginettas, TVRs, Elises and modern turbo stuff with their dials tuned up. I recall M3s filled the top 3 last time I did MC at Brands, the winner being a 3.0 from my class, not a 3.2 from the class above. I'd need a super-charger to compete, which would rule me out of CSCC transaxle Porsche class, and I want to keep my options open going into the season pending how TT turns out.
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