Getting Started in Hillclimbs/Sprints
Discussion
AndyGarton said:
A bit annoyed with the MSA!
I just paid 95 quid for the "Go Racing Pack" which arrived today - you don't even get the Blue Book in hard copy any more, just the DVD, plus a pen, in a fancy box. The application form they included is for "Race" licenses only, not the Non-Race National B. I've since downloaded the PDF form from their site for nothing!
(I had also attempted to apply online, but after 20 minutes of faffing with photos etc, it fails at the end with a vague "you must apply by post" error.)
Bit of a shambles really, and 95 quid for a pen
That's not good. I applied online and got my licence the next day! The only thing I did wrong was tick the ''pay extra for express delivery'' square, hence the speedy delivery. Doh! I just paid 95 quid for the "Go Racing Pack" which arrived today - you don't even get the Blue Book in hard copy any more, just the DVD, plus a pen, in a fancy box. The application form they included is for "Race" licenses only, not the Non-Race National B. I've since downloaded the PDF form from their site for nothing!
(I had also attempted to apply online, but after 20 minutes of faffing with photos etc, it fails at the end with a vague "you must apply by post" error.)
Bit of a shambles really, and 95 quid for a pen
jeffw said:
Although not required in a road class if you have fitted a roll cage it must meet the MSA requirements
This is not accurate. If a piece of safety equipment is fitted to a car that does not require it, it does not need to comply with the requirements in the book. The only requirement is that the installation does not itself cause a safety problem that would not exist if the item was not installed. The MSA issued a bulletin to scrutineers a few years ago clarifying this, not all that long after I had accepted the recommendation of a chief scrutineer to exclude a roadgoing car with a non-compliant roll cage (in retrospect, I wish I'd have stood my ground on that one and let the car run).
AndyGarton said:
A bit annoyed with the MSA!
I just paid 95 quid for the "Go Racing Pack" which arrived today - you don't even get the Blue Book in hard copy any more, just the DVD, plus a pen, in a fancy box. The application form they included is for "Race" licenses only, not the Non-Race National B. I've since downloaded the PDF form from their site for nothing!
(I had also attempted to apply online, but after 20 minutes of faffing with photos etc, it fails at the end with a vague "you must apply by post" error.)
Bit of a shambles really, and 95 quid for a pen
That's a shame? Who told you to buy the Go Racing Pack? That was duff advice as that pack is for circuit racing. You just need a non-race National B, which you can apply for online or download a PDF to print and apply by post.I just paid 95 quid for the "Go Racing Pack" which arrived today - you don't even get the Blue Book in hard copy any more, just the DVD, plus a pen, in a fancy box. The application form they included is for "Race" licenses only, not the Non-Race National B. I've since downloaded the PDF form from their site for nothing!
(I had also attempted to apply online, but after 20 minutes of faffing with photos etc, it fails at the end with a vague "you must apply by post" error.)
Bit of a shambles really, and 95 quid for a pen
Nobody told me as such, but the error message I got from my online application ("you must apply by post") kinda implied it. My fault ultimately I guess, although the PDF form is nowhere to be seen on the actual "apply for a license" page (only on the separate "forms" page). Anyway, lesson learned 
AndyGarton said:
Nobody told me as such, but the error message I got from my online application ("you must apply by post") kinda implied it. My fault ultimately I guess, although the PDF form is nowhere to be seen on the actual "apply for a license" page (only on the separate "forms" page). Anyway, lesson learned
You could always explain to the MSA applications dept' and see if they'll refund the difference? Worth a shot I reckon. Bumping this thread, rather than start anew one
Can someone confirm that a roadgoing production car (911), does not require a rollcage (or extinguisher) for sprinting?
Blue book confuses the hell out of me!
10.1.1. Roll-over Safety Bars K.1 to 1.2, except for cars
of Periods A – E (Nomenclature and Definitions).
10.1.2. Road-Going Series Production and Road-Going
Specialist Production, K.1.6.1 or K.1.6.2 recommended
Thanks in advance
Can someone confirm that a roadgoing production car (911), does not require a rollcage (or extinguisher) for sprinting?
Blue book confuses the hell out of me!
10.1.1. Roll-over Safety Bars K.1 to 1.2, except for cars
of Periods A – E (Nomenclature and Definitions).
10.1.2. Road-Going Series Production and Road-Going
Specialist Production, K.1.6.1 or K.1.6.2 recommended
Thanks in advance
freedman said:
Crystal Palace
Not ideal as a first event IMHO. Circuit is short, narrow and covered in loose gravel. There are a few before then including GBMC North Weald (20th April), B19MC Hethel (4th May) and HCAAC Debden (11th May). North Weald is an ideal place for beginners, although it's very bumpy.carl_w said:
Not ideal as a first event IMHO. Circuit is short, narrow and covered in loose gravel. There are a few before then including GBMC North Weald (20th April), B19MC Hethel (4th May) and HCAAC Debden (11th May). North Weald is an ideal place for beginners, although it's very bumpy.
Ive been as a spectator a few times so have an idea of the layout, and whilst I agree somewhere with a little more room for error may be preferable, Running on a coned airfield doesnt have the same appeal to mejeffw said:
A roadgoing production car in a roadgoing class only needs a timing strut and numbers.....apart from that if it would pass an MoT you are good to go. Extinguishers and Cages/Harness are not required.
To avoid any scrutineering issues on the day, you also should wrap the main battery earth lead with yellow tape and fix a sticker by the ignition switch showing the 'off' position. Crystal Palace was my first event 4 years ago. I had a great time and was made to feel very welcome. It's not the longest course, but still quite technical and great fun.
I went to North Weald once and it's in such terrible condition, I never bothered again.
I'm doing both days at CP this year. What colour is your 911? I'll come and say hello.
I went to North Weald once and it's in such terrible condition, I never bothered again.
I'm doing both days at CP this year. What colour is your 911? I'll come and say hello.
Race numbers, or some way of letting startline officials your car numnber are required by some venues (also I was asked to mark where the towing hooks were with a bit of red tape).
One MSA Scrutineer requested sight of the MOT and V5 documents (only happened once in 11 years of competing, but I was not expecting such a request).
As mentioned yellow tape:
Tow hook mark:
Timing strut:
Numbers for front:
One MSA Scrutineer requested sight of the MOT and V5 documents (only happened once in 11 years of competing, but I was not expecting such a request).
As mentioned yellow tape:
Tow hook mark:
Timing strut:
Numbers for front:
e21Mark said:
Crystal Palace was my first event 4 years ago. I had a great time and was made to feel very welcome. It's not the longest course, but still quite technical and great fun.
I went to North Weald once and it's in such terrible condition, I never bothered again.
I'm doing both days at CP this year. What colour is your 911? I'll come and say hello.
Mark,I went to North Weald once and it's in such terrible condition, I never bothered again.
I'm doing both days at CP this year. What colour is your 911? I'll come and say hello.
Look forwrad to seeing you, car is metallic Grey
I think I remember your car from your first event, wasnt that when the Sierra got rolled?
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