Duty Free Fuel
Discussion
Looks like there are limits to the amounts that can be stored at a home/work
see http://www.fireservice.co.uk/safety/fuel-storage
see http://www.fireservice.co.uk/safety/fuel-storage
carl_w said:
f you're only using the car on track (e.g. it's not road legal) why should you be paying road fuel duty?
I expect the reason you cant get the duty back is there is no way of identifying fuel that has had duty paid, so the 1000litres of duty free wouldnt end up in your daily driver 
I have wondered about running red diesel in a diesel racer, although i expect that would give you an issue with msa/fia over it not being pump fuel
in summary yes its mad you have to pay the duty on fuel for racing but i cant see it ever changing sadly..
what we need is a body, lets call it something like i dunno the MSA to campaign for things like that rather than worrying about grass
That fire service site says, "Petrol and diesel fuel should be stored in no more than two 10 litre metal containers or two 5 litre plastic containers"
For a start, yer bog-standard jerrycans hold 20l each. I have two.
And I have at least three green plastic ones, for normal fuel and 2-stroke with different oil ratios for different tools. And I'm not hoarding fuel, like some people! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1220240.stm
John
For a start, yer bog-standard jerrycans hold 20l each. I have two.
And I have at least three green plastic ones, for normal fuel and 2-stroke with different oil ratios for different tools. And I'm not hoarding fuel, like some people! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1220240.stm
John
Graham said:
I expect the reason you cant get the duty back is there is no way of identifying fuel that has had duty paid, so the 1000litres of duty free wouldnt end up in your daily driver
I have wondered about running red diesel in a diesel racer, although i expect that would give you an issue with msa/fia over it not being pump fuel
You're allowed to produce something like 2500 litres of biodiesel yourself without declaring yourself for VAT or duty, but again it's not "pump fuel".I have wondered about running red diesel in a diesel racer, although i expect that would give you an issue with msa/fia over it not being pump fuel
Few years ago we used to buy avgas from our local small airstrip and it was a lot cheaper than petrol station prices. We were told it was because there wasn't the same amount of duty on it.
Things might have changed now but it might be worth checking out.
Avgas was only used for test days.
As for the storage bit - I know a few teams that had a one of those large barrels (45 gallon?) in their truck.
Things might have changed now but it might be worth checking out.
Avgas was only used for test days.
As for the storage bit - I know a few teams that had a one of those large barrels (45 gallon?) in their truck.
One reason why flights are so cheap is that AvGas doesn't have the enormous burden of VAT and duty as regular petrol.
I was surprised by the fireservice.co.uk claim that by law the maximum you can store at home is 20 litres - but here's the laws in question:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/fireandexplosion/petroleum-f...
I was surprised by the fireservice.co.uk claim that by law the maximum you can store at home is 20 litres - but here's the laws in question:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/fireandexplosion/petroleum-f...
Edited by spyderman8 on Friday 25th April 13:50
5ltr or 20ltr of burning could do a lot of damage !!
Still surprised you can't find anywhere that sells fuel duty free for off road. Duty free Diesel is red so can potentially be checked on the road, guess there would be no way of checking petrol. What do farms do if they have machinary that uses petrol ?
Still surprised you can't find anywhere that sells fuel duty free for off road. Duty free Diesel is red so can potentially be checked on the road, guess there would be no way of checking petrol. What do farms do if they have machinary that uses petrol ?
I don't believe it is possible to buy fuel duty free at all with the exception of red derv as the duty is charged by the fuel distributor and cannot be claimed back. Petrol equipment on farms etc. I believe is treated the same as any other business expense outside of agriculture where only VAT can be reclaimed if applicable.
I contacted Residue & Customs (as the were then) a couple of years ago on this very subject.
On the subject of rebated fuel (where you can claim back the fuel duty) for Motorsport....
The answer is NO. Please ask your question.
In relation to red diesel in a derv burner race car, can't see a problem with that. In some rural areas you can find service stations that sell red.
Avgas - Petrol Avgas - is subject to the same Road Fuel Duty as regular petrol. One of the reasons it's so bloody expensive to run a private plane now.
Aviation Fuel - this is Kerosene, Paraffin, no duty. As much as the greens would love to slap a tax on it, it'd be pointless, the airlines would just fill 'em up abroad!
Feel free to ask HMRC, but they ain't budging! You might do better writing to your MP, extolling the advantages to the community, not just the racer, for rebated fuel in motorsport users.
On the subject of rebated fuel (where you can claim back the fuel duty) for Motorsport....
The answer is NO. Please ask your question.
In relation to red diesel in a derv burner race car, can't see a problem with that. In some rural areas you can find service stations that sell red.
Avgas - Petrol Avgas - is subject to the same Road Fuel Duty as regular petrol. One of the reasons it's so bloody expensive to run a private plane now.
Aviation Fuel - this is Kerosene, Paraffin, no duty. As much as the greens would love to slap a tax on it, it'd be pointless, the airlines would just fill 'em up abroad!
Feel free to ask HMRC, but they ain't budging! You might do better writing to your MP, extolling the advantages to the community, not just the racer, for rebated fuel in motorsport users.
Guys
I work for a firm that makes race fuel duty suspended and do the duty return to HMRC (HO10) every month. Motor sport is not exempt fuel duty. Makes no sense but that is the law.
Regarding buying duty suspended fuel, it can be done but only if you are a duty suspend license holder (rare) and you buy it from one of the same. The second it leaves your premises or is used you have to pay duty, currently 0.5795p for unleaded and 0.6767 for leaded.
Not want you wanted to hear but there it is.
I work for a firm that makes race fuel duty suspended and do the duty return to HMRC (HO10) every month. Motor sport is not exempt fuel duty. Makes no sense but that is the law.
Regarding buying duty suspended fuel, it can be done but only if you are a duty suspend license holder (rare) and you buy it from one of the same. The second it leaves your premises or is used you have to pay duty, currently 0.5795p for unleaded and 0.6767 for leaded.
Not want you wanted to hear but there it is.
skeggysteve said:
Few years ago we used to buy avgas from our local small airstrip and it was a lot cheaper than petrol station prices. We were told it was because there wasn't the same amount of duty on it.
Things might have changed now but it might be worth checking out.
Avgas was only used for test days.
As for the storage bit - I know a few teams that had a one of those large barrels (45 gallon?) in their truck.
Really? - Avgas is fully leaded and now costs approx £2.20/lThings might have changed now but it might be worth checking out.
Avgas was only used for test days.
As for the storage bit - I know a few teams that had a one of those large barrels (45 gallon?) in their truck.
We have to buy Sunoco race fuel by the 50l drum
I don't get why you think race fuel shouldn't have duty one it. Race cars are obviously more polluting than road cars and in most people's eye (not mine 
) are less useful than road cars.
"The escalator was introduced in 1993 as a measure to stem the increase in pollution from road transport..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_Price_Escalator
) are less useful than road cars."The escalator was introduced in 1993 as a measure to stem the increase in pollution from road transport..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_Price_Escalator
woof said:
I'd love to see the argument with the VAT / Taxman about trying to claim back fuel used in a race car.
What a shame we don't have some type of national motorsport body that could argue these types of things for clubman racers
we do.its called the MSA,why don't you write to them? I wouldn't hold out much hope though,i wrote to them over 2 years ago about an issue and never even got a reply!What a shame we don't have some type of national motorsport body that could argue these types of things for clubman racers
itdontgo said:
I don't get why you think race fuel shouldn't have duty one it. Race cars are obviously more polluting than road cars and in most people's eye (not mine ) are less useful than road cars.
"The escalator was introduced in 1993 as a measure to stem the increase in pollution from road transport..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_Price_Escalator
Neither do I. Give me one good reason why Motorsport should be exempt? What a dumb idea! ) are less useful than road cars."The escalator was introduced in 1993 as a measure to stem the increase in pollution from road transport..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_Price_Escalator
And as someone who has raced cars for many years, I can tell you that, even buying F3 control fuel, fuel is the least of your worries in terms of expenditure.
Why no pressure on the tyre manufacturers to stop them profiteering on race tyres? Why no pressure on the circuit owners and clubs to stop escalating the ludicrous track costs?
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