Not so Fun Cup. Idiot decides to drive on to the live track.
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I was at Brands Hatch this weekend, the first time I've been there since the incident.
All tickets and my media pass were scanned on the gate - so they know which tickets supplied by post have been used and can cross reference against the mailing address, and which pass holders have been scanned in as well.
I was on-site over the weekend so didn't get to find out how you got scanned out of the circuit.
There was a constant manning of the central road tunnel as well.
All tickets and my media pass were scanned on the gate - so they know which tickets supplied by post have been used and can cross reference against the mailing address, and which pass holders have been scanned in as well.
I was on-site over the weekend so didn't get to find out how you got scanned out of the circuit.
There was a constant manning of the central road tunnel as well.
andrewcliffe said:
I was at Brands Hatch this weekend, the first time I've been there since the incident.
All tickets and my media pass were scanned on the gate - so they know which tickets supplied by post have been used and can cross reference against the mailing address, and which pass holders have been scanned in as well.
I was on-site over the weekend so didn't get to find out how you got scanned out of the circuit.
There was a constant manning of the central road tunnel as well.
Did having your pass scanned and people manning the tunnel suck the fun out of the event for you, as some on here claim it would?All tickets and my media pass were scanned on the gate - so they know which tickets supplied by post have been used and can cross reference against the mailing address, and which pass holders have been scanned in as well.
I was on-site over the weekend so didn't get to find out how you got scanned out of the circuit.
There was a constant manning of the central road tunnel as well.
http://www.sevenoakschronicle.co.uk/Brands-Hatch-g...
bail extended until 18 august to complete investigations
bail extended until 18 august to complete investigations
37chevy said:
http://www.sevenoakschronicle.co.uk/Brands-Hatch-g...
bail extended until 18 august to complete investigations
what a joke, how long can it take to figure out what happened?bail extended until 18 august to complete investigations
It might be that witnesses have become uncooperative, or CCTV is taking longer than it should to be acquired and looked at, or the choice of charge(s) isn't decided (I imagine for each offence CPS approval will be required, which also takes time). New evidence might come to light.
For example, for aggravated trespass there needs to be a distinct 'aggravated' action in addition to the trespass itself. There might be question marks over whether driving on the track is considered another act over and above the trespass.
For public nuisance, the prosecution need to demonstrate a sufficiently wide cross section of the Queen's subjects were inconvenienced/upset. Are the crowd and competitors at such a motor racing meeting sufficiently wide a class of people?
False imprisonment could be run without the help of the victim, assuming the video evidence is admissable and sufficiently compelling, however it's a far less easy one to run than if the victim were willing to give evidence. The witness could be compelled to give evidence, but the risk is that something will be said under examination in court that undermines the entire charge.
For example, for aggravated trespass there needs to be a distinct 'aggravated' action in addition to the trespass itself. There might be question marks over whether driving on the track is considered another act over and above the trespass.
For public nuisance, the prosecution need to demonstrate a sufficiently wide cross section of the Queen's subjects were inconvenienced/upset. Are the crowd and competitors at such a motor racing meeting sufficiently wide a class of people?
False imprisonment could be run without the help of the victim, assuming the video evidence is admissable and sufficiently compelling, however it's a far less easy one to run than if the victim were willing to give evidence. The witness could be compelled to give evidence, but the risk is that something will be said under examination in court that undermines the entire charge.
tenpenceshort said:
Did having your pass scanned and people manning the tunnel suck the fun out of the event for you, as some on here claim it would?
I was media and my access wasn't curtailed at all. It would be interesting to hear if any competitors based in the outer paddock, who may have used a vehicle to transport stuff to the inner paddock were inconvenienced at all?There appeared to be regular movements to and from the centre, as normal.
I didn't walk up to the parc ferme / collecting area but there were some new signs up saying that various areas were out of bounds etc.,
I normally work with MSV championships, and competitors teams are issued passes with barcodes - I expect these to be scanned, so there is a responsibility on drivers/teams to give out passes / retrieve them afterwards as there is a traceable chain now.
tenpenceshort said:
I appreciate I might be sounding antagonistic, and I apologise if I am, however the aggrieved here have to consider the reality rather than the desire for vengeance.
For a start, the court is bound by rules to act in the interests of justice. If you are suing a teenager with no cash or assets for £200,000, you are not going to get either your costs back or your £200,000, irrespective of the court's decision. It is not in the interests of justice to pursue a defendant who under no circumstances can pay, even if he wanted to. It's a waste of the court's time and the claimant's money. The defendant will laugh it off and the lawyers will collect their fees (from 'you').
This is notwithstanding the possibility that the claim may not go as much in favour of the claimant as you might like, as there would be questions asked about the responsibilities of the organisers to protect the track from trespass. If there was negligence on their behalf (which on the face of it, there certainly was), some of the blame will likely be apportioned their way.
I understand the frustration that this annoying t
t ruined a perfectly good race weekend and that he should be responsible for his actions. That being the case, it still doesn't absolve people from blame who should have been doing a better job. Some of the spotlight should be on that if you really want to deal with the risk of repetition.
MSA should ban the two lads (don't think the girl wanted to be there) for life from any motorsport, and punt it up to the FIA for the same ban - akin to football hooligans being banned from matches. However, after 2 years they get the option to do a day's marshalling (proper hot day with sFor a start, the court is bound by rules to act in the interests of justice. If you are suing a teenager with no cash or assets for £200,000, you are not going to get either your costs back or your £200,000, irrespective of the court's decision. It is not in the interests of justice to pursue a defendant who under no circumstances can pay, even if he wanted to. It's a waste of the court's time and the claimant's money. The defendant will laugh it off and the lawyers will collect their fees (from 'you').
This is notwithstanding the possibility that the claim may not go as much in favour of the claimant as you might like, as there would be questions asked about the responsibilities of the organisers to protect the track from trespass. If there was negligence on their behalf (which on the face of it, there certainly was), some of the blame will likely be apportioned their way.
I understand the frustration that this annoying t
t ruined a perfectly good race weekend and that he should be responsible for his actions. That being the case, it still doesn't absolve people from blame who should have been doing a better job. Some of the spotlight should be on that if you really want to deal with the risk of repetition.tty jobs and standing on a post in the middle of nowhere!), to rescind their ban. If it was enforceable by court to recoup damages (even though marshals are unpaid - I have tried it) even better.At least more symbolic than anything but gets the point across and they could learn a thing or two...
Soul Reaver said:
I'm not sure the marshals view what they do as punishment LOL. I am constantly thankful that there is a group of people willing to do marshaling and enjoying it too. We would be in very dire straights without them boys and girls in Orange.
wearing probans the other weekend in 32 degree heat, during a 6 hour endurance race.....I must have upset someone, cos that was punishment!37chevy said:
http://www.sevenoakschronicle.co.uk/Brands-Hatch-g...
bail extended until 18 august to complete investigations
Will he be charged, rebailed or NFA? Will the organisers or competitors begin proceedings in the case of NFA?bail extended until 18 august to complete investigations
tenpenceshort said:
37chevy said:
http://www.sevenoakschronicle.co.uk/Brands-Hatch-g...
bail extended until 18 august to complete investigations
Will he be charged, rebailed or NFA? Will the organisers or competitors begin proceedings in the case of NFA?bail extended until 18 august to complete investigations
Moderator edit: none of the "Like me please" content please.
Edited by jeremyc on Monday 18th August 14:06
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