New 40 min race series for post year 2000 cars

[andy97]

The Tuscan Challenge cars came with factory supplied 4.5 AJP engines, the Speed Six didn't I'm afraid, so that's a "no" unless we do allow engine swaps and that will be discussed at the end of the season, although I think we will need a lot of convincing.

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eastlmark said:

going to come to Snetterton to take a look at this, have a X65 Clio cup racer looking for a series. Looks like it might be going more sports than tin tops mind judging by this thread.

A Clio Cup car would be a good choice for the up to 2 litre class and there were 2 entered in the first race at Donington., along with an Integra and several other Saloons. I have had interest from a chap building a Civic with a sequential box, too, so I really don't think it will be a sports car only series.

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kg55 said:

andy97 said:

I am sure that the regs will be re-considered at the end of the season in the light of the experience of the races at Donington and Snetterton but I wouldn't expect engine swaps to be allowed tbh.

If you are letting tuscans with 4.5 AJP engines in would my road tuscan speed six be allowed in now with its 4.5 AJP as up untill now it has been refused entry

We have decided to run a number of 30 and 40 minute "Open" Sports v saloon races in 2015 so it may be that cars with engine swaps came run in these races. I'm not sure of the details so it may be worth contacting the CSCC office.

[andy97]

Hmmmm, I don't think that Radicals are really in the spirit of the road car nature of the series, I'm afraid. I know that Radical have produced road cars but I don't think its the right way forward I'm afraid. Sorry.

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triplets3racing said:

Andy I can see why you may think that way but surely if, for example the 2 Eleven is acceptable, a vehicle offered only as a track day car but with a road going conversion offered by Lotus, then the approach by Radical doesn't differ that much??
I'll withdraw gracefully subject to the views of the masses but my underlying point is that if this is "open"and not intended as a championship then there are lots of cars out there that are struggling to find longer races who would welcome the mix of open and closed sports cars.

New Millenium series is intended for road biased cars. The 2-11 is an Elise underneath and was homologated into GT4 (I helped a team race one in British GT a few years ago), indeed you could take the bodywork off a 2-11 and fit Elise or Exige bodywork if you wanted!

CSCC is also going to run some Opens Sports Vs Saloon races - you will have to ask the Office if a Radical is eligible for those races as I am not sure.

It's not perfect world and its not easy to have regs to suit everyone, and I suspect that if a Radical turned up many others wouldn't. That's not to say we wouldn't run a series for sports racers if enough people committed but we'd have to be really sure we'd get good grids everywhere.

Edited by andy97 on Tuesday 30th September 21:37

[andy97]

Good to know. We had 16 cars on the grid which is pretty good for just our second "taster" race towards the end of a very busy season for most people. There were some good battles through the field. The TVRs need some opposition at the front and I'm hopeful that we will get some G50s and the like out, but the Clio Cup cars had some great battles with the Ginetta G40s showing how competitive they can be in this series.

Roll on next year. The series will definitely run.

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Thurbs said:

I would love to run a Monaro in this series next year... would 5.7l be too much?

No reason why not, as long is it complies with the regs.

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27hur said:

What are the proposed regs for next year?

They will be similar to this, I think, but we have a Committee meeting soon when things will be finalised, based on the experience of the two taster races this year. We will probably adjust the classes a bit.

I Will post about the regs as soon as I can.

[andy97]

We are still working on the regs, between our respective day jobs, so I'm not sure yet. I'll post about. It as soon as I can.

[andy97]

It would certainly be great to see a G50 and a 996 GT3 in the series. The G50, in particular, must represent great value and performance for this sort of series, with good spares support available.

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Turby said:

We currently have over 30 registered competitors in the CSCC New Millennium series of which 4 are Clio cup cars running in class D along with an Integra, Fiesta, Civic, Elise and a Ginetta G40. Other classes contain a good number of TVR's, BMWs (M3's and a Z3), Seats incl. Supercopas and BMW Mini Coopers.

I assume that it's the SEAT Cupra Mk1 as the Mk2 Seat SuperCopas don't comply with the published bodywork regs?

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Don't tell Pete Edwards then! He wanted to buy a SuperCopa but changed to the Astra because of those rules!

[andy97]

A SuperCopa with the wick turned up would certainly be a great car to have in this series, but then I also saw a Ginetta G50 for sale recently for less than £20k.

Where did I put that lottery ticket? Just the million would do!

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David, I look forward to seeing you out in that. An awesome car.

Have you also looked at the BMW M235i Cup cars?

3 litre twin turbo (333 bhp) and 8 speed flappy paddle gearbox on slicks, designed for the VLN series. A great looking car and available new for about £50k I think.

http://www.bmw-motorsport.com/en/bmw-sports-trophy...

Edited by andy97 on Wednesday 17th June 12:15

[andy97]

It will he eligible for both the Modern Classics series and the New Millenium series. You can probably race in both if you can afford it.

996 have been outright winners in Modern Classics.

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smiles1 said:

Does New Millenium allow for cars with non factory fitted engines (that use the original mounting points) or are there any plans for this in 2016?

Thanks

You'd be better asking that question direct to the cscc office as I'm not involved any more but I doubt it; all the series, with the exception of the Special Saloons and Modsports series have always insisted on the oem engine type for the model.

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eastlmark said:

2016 season nearly upon us, who is running this year?
We are out in our Clio cup, Ricky has a new co driver, Phil Gardner, for the first few races at least.
Once again would like to see some more Clio cup racers out this year. A lot of these cars sitting around idle, why not get them out there for some 40 minutes of fun at far cheaper costs than Clio cup series- sequential gearbox's welcome!

Just out of interest, Which is the better bet, the X65 or the X85 versions?

[andy97]

Thanks for the reply and the info. I'm just curious really. But I'm surprised by your conclusions! I'd have thought that the lighter weight of the X65 would have been a significant factor in its favour. I do remember being told that the X65 was quite lively at the rear, so maybe the later model is more stable and able to give the average club level driver more confidence.

I suppose it would be interesting to compare lap times between the 2 models with the same driver and same tyres, but not really practical. I wonder what the relative lap times were between the 2 models in their original Clio Cup trim?

[andy97]

Hope you continue to enjoy it, but you will probably need to change that rear spoiler if you haven't already ;-)

[andy97]

andy97 said:

Thanks for the reply and the info. I'm just curious really. But I'm surprised by your conclusions! I'd have thought that the lighter weight of the X65 would have been a significant factor in its favour. I do remember being told that the X65 was quite lively at the rear, so maybe the later model is more stable and able to give the average club level driver more confidence.

I suppose it would be interesting to compare lap times between the 2 models with the same driver and same tyres, but not really practical. I wonder what the relative lap times were between the 2 models in their original Clio Cup trim?

Just done a quick comparison from TSL over 4 different tracks, of the fastest race laps in the Clio cup between the x65 in 2006 and the x85 in 2013

Oulton park island - 1:35.243 (x65).....1:36.7 (x85)

Donington National - 1:19.345 (x65)...1:18.243 (x85)

Brands Indy - 52.813 (x65)....52.85 (x85)

Thruxton - 1:24.818 (x65).....1:25.617 (x85)

Not much in it. All races were dry but obviously no idea what temp or wind differences there were, or whether on different spec tyres. Of course thecClio cup runs on slicks.

Edited by andy97 on Thursday 3rd March 15:33