Cheating - would you do it if you didn't get caught?
Discussion
PhillipM said:
Really? I've seen plenty of them fitting later engines in earlier cars for the extra power...that's not standard...
I'm fairly certain (but could be wrong) that no model of MX5 had benefited from a power increase later in its life without upping the capacity, hopefully scrutineers would spot that! mattmk391 said:
PhillipM said:
Really? I've seen plenty of them fitting later engines in earlier cars for the extra power...that's not standard...
I'm fairly certain (but could be wrong) that no model of MX5 had benefited from a power increase later in its life without upping the capacity, hopefully scrutineers would spot that! 
We have a simple rule in our series that if anyone is suspected of cheating we stick in a protest fee for the engine to be stripped. If it's legal, the guy gets to keep most go the fee to put it back together, if it's not, the protester gets their money back.
We encourage the publication of in-car videos on our forum and it is pretty obvious when someone is quicker than they should be. Although no-one has resorted to a protest yet, the threat of it seems to be sufficient to discourage cheating.
We encourage the publication of in-car videos on our forum and it is pretty obvious when someone is quicker than they should be. Although no-one has resorted to a protest yet, the threat of it seems to be sufficient to discourage cheating.
Greensleeves said:
We have a simple rule in our series that if anyone is suspected of cheating we stick in a protest fee for the engine to be stripped. If it's legal, the guy gets to keep most go the fee to put it back together, if it's not, the protester gets their money back.
We encourage the publication of in-car videos on our forum and it is pretty obvious when someone is quicker than they should be. Although no-one has resorted to a protest yet, the threat of it seems to be sufficient to discourage cheating.
An engine strip and build must be 2-3k !?We encourage the publication of in-car videos on our forum and it is pretty obvious when someone is quicker than they should be. Although no-one has resorted to a protest yet, the threat of it seems to be sufficient to discourage cheating.
Some of the series I've raced in - people/teams would use this against you as a way of taking you out of champs.
Last year a driver admitted that he had planned to drive me off the track and the team had told him not to worry about any damage to the car. Got it in writing as well !
Oilchange said:
Mmm, a deliberate act that could well endanger your life (and possibly others including spectators) and you have it in writing too. I'd have got a good lawyer...
This sport is dangerous enough without idiocy like that.
I know - I've been wondering what to do with it to be honest. This sport is dangerous enough without idiocy like that.
The person isn't racing at the moment and perhaps it's best left like that.
woof said:
Greensleeves said:
We have a simple rule in our series that if anyone is suspected of cheating we stick in a protest fee for the engine to be stripped. If it's legal, the guy gets to keep most go the fee to put it back together, if it's not, the protester gets their money back.
We encourage the publication of in-car videos on our forum and it is pretty obvious when someone is quicker than they should be. Although no-one has resorted to a protest yet, the threat of it seems to be sufficient to discourage cheating.
An engine strip and build must be 2-3k !?We encourage the publication of in-car videos on our forum and it is pretty obvious when someone is quicker than they should be. Although no-one has resorted to a protest yet, the threat of it seems to be sufficient to discourage cheating.
Some of the series I've raced in - people/teams would use this against you as a way of taking you out of champs.
Last year a driver admitted that he had planned to drive me off the track and the team had told him not to worry about any damage to the car. Got it in writing as well !
Strip means whip head off and check cams, bore and stroke plus piston tops then stick the head back on.
We race for fun and all the paddock gets on so we haven't had to take a spanner to one yet. Hopefully it will stay that way.
MR2 series with Track Attack if anyone fancies a go. The mentioned 3k above would buy you a good car and half a seasons racing.
Greensleeves said:
woof said:
Greensleeves said:
We have a simple rule in our series that if anyone is suspected of cheating we stick in a protest fee for the engine to be stripped. If it's legal, the guy gets to keep most go the fee to put it back together, if it's not, the protester gets their money back.
We encourage the publication of in-car videos on our forum and it is pretty obvious when someone is quicker than they should be. Although no-one has resorted to a protest yet, the threat of it seems to be sufficient to discourage cheating.
An engine strip and build must be 2-3k !?We encourage the publication of in-car videos on our forum and it is pretty obvious when someone is quicker than they should be. Although no-one has resorted to a protest yet, the threat of it seems to be sufficient to discourage cheating.
Some of the series I've raced in - people/teams would use this against you as a way of taking you out of champs.
Last year a driver admitted that he had planned to drive me off the track and the team had told him not to worry about any damage to the car. Got it in writing as well !
Strip means whip head off and check cams, bore and stroke plus piston tops then stick the head back on.
We race for fun and all the paddock gets on so we haven't had to take a spanner to one yet. Hopefully it will stay that way.
MR2 series with Track Attack if anyone fancies a go. The mentioned 3k above would buy you a good car and half a seasons racing.
andrewcliffe said:
Not sure they can....
Unless the declared co-ordinator isn't really the co-ordinator, and I'm not sure the MSA would look kindly at that.
MSA Blue Book, Section W, clause 2.2
2.2. A Championship Co-ordinator, Championship Stewards (minimum three) and an Eligibility Scrutineer must be nominated on the Application Form by the Organisers and there may be no duplication of duties. None may be Competitors in the Championship, prepare entries for the Championship or be sponsors of Competitors in the Championship.
Although depends whether it is a series or a championship, I don't know in this case.Unless the declared co-ordinator isn't really the co-ordinator, and I'm not sure the MSA would look kindly at that.
MSA Blue Book, Section W, clause 2.2
2.2. A Championship Co-ordinator, Championship Stewards (minimum three) and an Eligibility Scrutineer must be nominated on the Application Form by the Organisers and there may be no duplication of duties. None may be Competitors in the Championship, prepare entries for the Championship or be sponsors of Competitors in the Championship.
Edited by andrewcliffe on Tuesday 8th July 22:10
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