What was he thinking?
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spyderman8 said:
He was weaving excessively in earlier laps too - that's against Blue Book regulations now.
Chris.
One change of direction allowed to defend a position but in Trackday Trophy and Team Trophy when I've done a dummy move down one side which has been defended the car in front has then changed direction again when I've gone for the intended move and nothings ever done about it. On a long straight I've deliberately gone from side to side to side to make the car in front weave and still nothings done.Chris.
Edited by fiveoclockhero1 on Monday 3rd November 23:42
JeremyH5 said:
Who can make official representations to the MSA requesting the Porsche driver's race licence be revoked?
The MSA are very touchy over their reputation for safe motorsport. If enough people submit 'questions' to them regarding this they will review his licence in due course. (that is, of course, if that isn't already happening).MiniBeej said:
JeremyH5 said:
Who can make official representations to the MSA requesting the Porsche driver's race licence be revoked?
The MSA are very touchy over their reputation for safe motorsport. If enough people submit 'questions' to them regarding this they will review his licence in due course. (that is, of course, if that isn't already happening).https://www.msauk.org/#
Has anyone spoken to the Porsche driver about the incident?
Curious to know what he makes of his own actions. Hopefully he has taken a long hard look at himself and realised motorsport is not a hobby he should be partaking in if he thinks this type of aggressive driving is acceptable at ANY level of motorsport.
Curious to know what he makes of his own actions. Hopefully he has taken a long hard look at himself and realised motorsport is not a hobby he should be partaking in if he thinks this type of aggressive driving is acceptable at ANY level of motorsport.
Anybody else think this sort of driving is a direct result of the appalling example being shown in BTCC, where cars are expendable and contact is more or less condoned by an absence of appropriate punishment? In football, wrestling in the penalty area is totally illegal but hardly ever punished. The only difference being that peoples' lives aren't at stake in football.
Blackpuddin said:
Anybody else think this sort of driving is a direct result of the appalling example being shown in BTCC, where cars are expendable and contact is more or less condoned by an absence of appropriate punishment? In football, wrestling in the penalty area is totally illegal but hardly ever punished. The only difference being that peoples' lives aren't at stake in football.
As a club racer of 15 years standing, what saddens me (apart from the shocking driving of the Porsche which is a given) is that the Clio driver initiated his pass by taking to the grass and nudging a RWD car mid-corner but those actions merit no comment at all apart from someone describing his actions as a 'love tap'.As the owner of a car presented with a hefty bill and a sore neck (even with a HANS) after just such an attempt as passing ended in a big off, I can only conclude that the Plato 'Push to Pass' method of passing is becoming the norm in the Trackday Trophy.
What the Porsche driver did was unforgivable, but had I been an official viewing the footage I'd have also sanctioned the Clio driver for what could have resulted in a loss of control for the driver of the Porsche. The only reason the Clio was alongside the Porsche was because he nudged it out of the way at Barn, initially it was the Clio driver's frustration and subsequent actions that fuelled the idiot in the Porsche to retaliate.
None of that exonerates the Porsche driver, but neither party comes out of that clip looking angelic.
Mark Benson said:
As a club racer of 15 years standing, what saddens me (apart from the shocking driving of the Porsche which is a given) is that the Clio driver initiated his pass by taking to the grass and nudging a RWD car mid-corner but those actions merit no comment at all apart from someone describing his actions as a 'love tap'.
As the owner of a car presented with a hefty bill and a sore neck (even with a HANS) after just such an attempt as passing ended in a big off, I can only conclude that the Plato 'Push to Pass' method of passing is becoming the norm in the Trackday Trophy.
What the Porsche driver did was unforgivable, but had I been an official viewing the footage I'd have also sanctioned the Clio driver for what could have resulted in a loss of control for the driver of the Porsche. The only reason the Clio was alongside the Porsche was because he nudged it out of the way at Barn, initially it was the Clio driver's frustration and subsequent actions that fuelled the idiot in the Porsche to retaliate.
None of that exonerates the Porsche driver, but neither party comes out of that clip looking angelic.
I have to agree. The Clio driver was trying to pass aggressively too - the 968 clearly lurches to the right but in all honesty if I were driving the Clio, I'd have backed off a bit and let him go. There are safer places to try and pass at Cadwell. Shocking to watch but it's not totally clear cut as some would make out.....As the owner of a car presented with a hefty bill and a sore neck (even with a HANS) after just such an attempt as passing ended in a big off, I can only conclude that the Plato 'Push to Pass' method of passing is becoming the norm in the Trackday Trophy.
What the Porsche driver did was unforgivable, but had I been an official viewing the footage I'd have also sanctioned the Clio driver for what could have resulted in a loss of control for the driver of the Porsche. The only reason the Clio was alongside the Porsche was because he nudged it out of the way at Barn, initially it was the Clio driver's frustration and subsequent actions that fuelled the idiot in the Porsche to retaliate.
None of that exonerates the Porsche driver, but neither party comes out of that clip looking angelic.
Having raced in TT with a low powered car (mx5) it is hard to pass faster cars at cadwell, having said that it is possible buy sometimes you do have to take a lunge......
that said the Porsche driver would have been quicker letting Darren past and tagging onto him.....
experience is a wonderful thing!!!
yes things like this can/do happen but the driver should have shown his remorse. imo.... financially or otherwise.
that said the Porsche driver would have been quicker letting Darren past and tagging onto him.....
experience is a wonderful thing!!!
yes things like this can/do happen but the driver should have shown his remorse. imo.... financially or otherwise.
If you look from 2m18 onward you can see how the 968 takes the first apex then starts to let the car drift out, then comes back in to hit the clio. It looks like the Clio takes to the grass to avoid. Can you see what I mean? The driving from the 968 is so erratic it must have been hard to plan a move.
staceyboy said:
If you look from 2m18 onward you can see how the 968 takes the first apex then starts to let the car drift out, then comes back in to hit the clio. It looks like the Clio takes to the grass to avoid. Can you see what I mean? The driving from the 968 is so erratic it must have been hard to plan a move.
indeed what looks like a tap could easily be the pork jerking right as he crowds the clio and sliding a bit.If you block the exit, like most of us racers have from time to time, you have to expect a little nudge. I've done done it after passing someone to then make a hasty getaway. From the footage of the car behind, it looks like that is what happened.
To get the best exit on that corner it's all about getting the lock off thus helping the car accelerate. He saw the Clio coming and tightened his line rather than let it run out.
To get the best exit on that corner it's all about getting the lock off thus helping the car accelerate. He saw the Clio coming and tightened his line rather than let it run out.
fiveoclockhero1 said:
Rubbish. Why should he think he had to back off?
Self preservation ?Crash prevention works on two levels. Not causing a crash, and taking preventive action to stop someone else causing a crash.
There does appear to be some random weaving from both parties there. Given the contact just prior to the crash, common sense would have said to back off and keep away in order to prevent a crash.
The clio driver does seem calm and well spoken after the incident...but it could still have been avoided by both parties.
Blame or cause isnt as clear cut as some are suggesting
staceyboy said:
The driving from the 968 is so erratic it must have been hard to plan a move.
But not so hard to take a step back and think...is this really worth it ?Fair points. Although I think most of us would still have attempted a pass somewhere. Especially with how much slower the other car was.
The point at which contact was made, and the force of it, the only way you would have avoided it would be by not being alongside in the first place.
You can't really expect it not be possible to be alongside on the pit straight. A squeeze to a car's width may be. Make the other driver use all his skill to place the car. But not a ram. Right there. With that amount of force that it makes your own car spin.
The point at which contact was made, and the force of it, the only way you would have avoided it would be by not being alongside in the first place.
You can't really expect it not be possible to be alongside on the pit straight. A squeeze to a car's width may be. Make the other driver use all his skill to place the car. But not a ram. Right there. With that amount of force that it makes your own car spin.
Oilchange said:
There was a similar punt off event in an MX5 race mentioned a while back and I can't help but think it's the same guy...
The You Tube vid mentions the name "Richard Hughes" and "Bacon Butty Racing" being the offending Porsche driver, some of the comments on there are very angry towards the Porsche driver. (Justified maybe ? )When racing the red mist can descend, and of course people get frustrated regarding passing, hopefully this is a rare occurrence but I do remember the very last race last year at Brands where one driver came in to the paddock after the race and stuck his boot in to another competitors car (Also TT race)
jeff666 said:
The You Tube vid mentions the name "Richard Hughes" and "Bacon Butty Racing" being the offending Porsche driver, some of the comments on there are very angry towards the Porsche driver. (Justified maybe ? )
When racing the red mist can descend, and of course people get frustrated regarding passing, hopefully this is a rare occurrence but I do remember the very last race last year at Brands where one driver came in to the paddock after the race and stuck his boot in to another competitors car (Also TT race)
The info on the MX5 crash suggests the name of the driver being Bob Higgins, so 2 different people (Thankfully?).When racing the red mist can descend, and of course people get frustrated regarding passing, hopefully this is a rare occurrence but I do remember the very last race last year at Brands where one driver came in to the paddock after the race and stuck his boot in to another competitors car (Also TT race)
Here is a quick reminder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3nSOKdTWuQ
MyVTECGoesBwaaah said:
The info on the MX5 crash suggests the name of the driver being Bob Higgins, so 2 different people (Thankfully?).
Here is a quick reminder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3nSOKdTWuQ
Sugar !!!! that is just as scary, ouch.Here is a quick reminder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3nSOKdTWuQ
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