HANS to be mandatory from 2016
Discussion
NJH said:
Lets get this straight guys, apart from the seat belts being lifed for UK circuit racing (as blue book refers to current FIA homologation) what else is actually lifed? The other stuff only seems to be a problem if competing overseas, helmets are only going out due to some old test standards no longer being deemed sufficient.
I was responding to this.....I can't believe some of the comments here.
Its a total no brainer, HANS save lives, in any frontal impact at anything over 30 mph you run a serious risk of neck injury or worse.
They are mandated by the FIA and have been for some time.
I wont get in a race car without a HANS, and making it mandatory is way over due.
Stop b
hing about the cost, if you can't afford it don't race.
Its a total no brainer, HANS save lives, in any frontal impact at anything over 30 mph you run a serious risk of neck injury or worse.
They are mandated by the FIA and have been for some time.
I wont get in a race car without a HANS, and making it mandatory is way over due.
Stop b
hing about the cost, if you can't afford it don't race.I'm not objecting to it - I've been meaning to get it for a couple of years so this just forces the issue. However can I just check a couple of stupid points
1) my existing seat will be ok?
2) if my understanding is correct I can buy in 2 stages : helmet and hans then change harness to better fitting at later date (just trying to spread the cost)
Thanks. - ps are Demon tweeks likely to be the cheapest?
1) my existing seat will be ok?
2) if my understanding is correct I can buy in 2 stages : helmet and hans then change harness to better fitting at later date (just trying to spread the cost)
Thanks. - ps are Demon tweeks likely to be the cheapest?
chrisb0 said:
I can't believe some of the comments here.
Its a total no brainer, HANS save lives, in any frontal impact at anything over 30 mph you run a serious risk of neck injury or worse.
They are mandated by the FIA and have been for some time.
I wont get in a race car without a HANS, and making it mandatory is way over due.
Stop bhing about the cost, if you can't afford it don't race.
They could have given more notice of intent as they did with helmet and suit standards ending and belts being lifed. Its a total no brainer, HANS save lives, in any frontal impact at anything over 30 mph you run a serious risk of neck injury or worse.
They are mandated by the FIA and have been for some time.
I wont get in a race car without a HANS, and making it mandatory is way over due.
Stop b
hing about the cost, if you can't afford it don't race.Personal safety means having a choice,racing in a series with a top speed of 85mph and average lap speed of 65/70mph I struggle to see the need for anymore than a neckbrace.
I thought I should clarify a couple of points. I'm a MSA Scrutineer by the way.
The change in the MSA Regs for 2015, requiring Frontal Head Restraints apply to single seater cars built after 1 Jan 2000, and all other racing from 1 Jan 2016. There is an exemption for certain historic racing cars (which dont need seat belts, so mandating the wearing of FHR would be pointless). So for most, there is at least a 12 month notice of this change.
Saet belts must be FIA homologated. if they have 2" shoulder straps, they are homologated only for use with FHRs.
Seats in domestic racing don't need to be FIA homologated unless specified in the Championship or Event Regs.
The change in the MSA Regs for 2015, requiring Frontal Head Restraints apply to single seater cars built after 1 Jan 2000, and all other racing from 1 Jan 2016. There is an exemption for certain historic racing cars (which dont need seat belts, so mandating the wearing of FHR would be pointless). So for most, there is at least a 12 month notice of this change.
Saet belts must be FIA homologated. if they have 2" shoulder straps, they are homologated only for use with FHRs.
Seats in domestic racing don't need to be FIA homologated unless specified in the Championship or Event Regs.
jeffw said:
Dan Friel said:
It only applies to "racing". Hillclimbs / sprint regs are not affected.
I presume that will be 'for now'. Can certainly imagine Sprint/Hillclimb Single Seaters needing them shortly and then everything except road going. (Q) Circuit Racing
Date of implementation: 1 January 2015
10.1(e)
An FIA approved FHR device, fitted in accordance with
FIA regulations, is:
(i) Mandatory for the driver of a Single Seater Racing Car
manufactured after 01/01/2000
(ii) Recommended for the driver in all other forms of Circuit
Racing. This will be a mandatory requirement from 1st January
2016, with the exception of Period Defined Vehicles which will
remain as a recommendation
Doesn't mention Sprinting/Hillclimb just Circuit Racing
Date of implementation: 1 January 2015
10.1(e)
An FIA approved FHR device, fitted in accordance with
FIA regulations, is:
(i) Mandatory for the driver of a Single Seater Racing Car
manufactured after 01/01/2000
(ii) Recommended for the driver in all other forms of Circuit
Racing. This will be a mandatory requirement from 1st January
2016, with the exception of Period Defined Vehicles which will
remain as a recommendation
Doesn't mention Sprinting/Hillclimb just Circuit Racing
megamaniac said:
So I should put a six point harness in my road car and wear a helmet and Hans device ! What a load of bks ,especially when historics don't even need a harness .
I contacted the manufacurer of my wifes 1981 911 and asked about lifeing of seat belts and the answer was " that they expect the belts to perform in a safe manner for the expected lifetime of the vehicle " so no its just revenue gathering on the part of the FIA, as is the background for most of their regulations. They are based in the EU and that really tells you all you need to know.ks ,especially when historics don't even need a harness .Why life "racing" seat-belts and not normal car-belts.
Because generally when a road car has a serious accident it is written off. When a race care has one there is nothing stopping you taking the belts from the crashed car and using them in the rebuild. Also if you are using your race belts correctly (ie Tight) then they are being strained more than a normal road car belts that are designed to only tighten up on impact.
Because generally when a road car has a serious accident it is written off. When a race care has one there is nothing stopping you taking the belts from the crashed car and using them in the rebuild. Also if you are using your race belts correctly (ie Tight) then they are being strained more than a normal road car belts that are designed to only tighten up on impact.
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