Hillclimbs & sprints
Discussion
I would welcome some advice please. 
Intend to compete in hillclimbs & sprints next year, mainly in the SW, to start with I fancy a saloon & am trying to decide on what to go for,
Ideally i would prefer something that is capable of a class win (driver permitting!), had intended to look for a sorted clio but they seem to suffer as most events seem to run roadgoing class split at over 1800 to 2600 down here.
Intend to compete in hillclimbs & sprints next year, mainly in the SW, to start with I fancy a saloon & am trying to decide on what to go for,
Ideally i would prefer something that is capable of a class win (driver permitting!), had intended to look for a sorted clio but they seem to suffer as most events seem to run roadgoing class split at over 1800 to 2600 down here.
I've been competing in A3 for a while and to be honest you won't be that competitive in a clio, you'll likely to be mid class as a rule. Check out the ASWMC results from this year for info. That said if you aren't expecting a pot everytime you go out it's a great sport, I personally don't get hung up with pot hunting as I've seen people get so desperate about it they don't enjoy the day in the end.
The social side and battling with similar cars in the class is great fun.
The social side and battling with similar cars in the class is great fun.
I suggest having a look at the class structure for the aswmc championship and going from there. http://www.aswmc.org.uk/sprint.htm
You are right in thinking that the Clio in production class would be out-gunned as that class is usually won by either an early Evo or a Fiesta ST, both of which have more power than the Clio. You could consider getting something to compete in the over 2600 litre class as the choice is much more varied, but tends to be dominated mainly by Evo's and Subarus.
You are right in thinking that the Clio in production class would be out-gunned as that class is usually won by either an early Evo or a Fiesta ST, both of which have more power than the Clio. You could consider getting something to compete in the over 2600 litre class as the choice is much more varied, but tends to be dominated mainly by Evo's and Subarus.
As has been said, check out the results of the previous events you would like to do and see what car comes out tops.
IMO though don’t limit yourself just to the south west there are many great climbs elsewhere and I find the more variety the more interesting it is.
Can’t speak for the ASWMC events but in the leaders events there are 2 roadgoing classes one up to 2lt and one over.
The under 2lt is normally won by a Lotus Elise type car with the Clio’s etc not far behind. In the bigger class there is more variety with again Lotus, Scooby’s, Evos, Porsche, GTR’s sharing the honours most of the time.
Some are trailered so quite specialist. I would also try and get along to an event and see for yourself the cars in the relevant classes although the season is almost over now, there is a good one at Loton Park this coming weekend.
http://www.resultsman.co.uk/ this is a good site to check out results etc so will help.
Good luck whatever you choose and do not be surprised at first if your not on the pace, that will come with enough practise as it’s not as easy as it can look
Cheers
IMO though don’t limit yourself just to the south west there are many great climbs elsewhere and I find the more variety the more interesting it is.
Can’t speak for the ASWMC events but in the leaders events there are 2 roadgoing classes one up to 2lt and one over.
The under 2lt is normally won by a Lotus Elise type car with the Clio’s etc not far behind. In the bigger class there is more variety with again Lotus, Scooby’s, Evos, Porsche, GTR’s sharing the honours most of the time.
Some are trailered so quite specialist. I would also try and get along to an event and see for yourself the cars in the relevant classes although the season is almost over now, there is a good one at Loton Park this coming weekend.
http://www.resultsman.co.uk/ this is a good site to check out results etc so will help.
Good luck whatever you choose and do not be surprised at first if your not on the pace, that will come with enough practise as it’s not as easy as it can look
Cheers
The regs in the link are a little differemt to what we run, but I am struggling to how a clio would be classed with a Evo ( assuming 4WD and turbo ? )
Could be wrong but an option would be an 1800cc DC2 Integra Trype R in the upto 1800 production roadgoing class?? Get a decent standard one, good tyres and brakes and you should do well.
Our class split is 1600 & 2000cc, but the DC2 is a good car
Could be wrong but an option would be an 1800cc DC2 Integra Trype R in the upto 1800 production roadgoing class?? Get a decent standard one, good tyres and brakes and you should do well.
Our class split is 1600 & 2000cc, but the DC2 is a good car
Furyblade_Lee said:
The regs in the link are a little differemt to what we run, but I am struggling to how a clio would be classed with a Evo ( assuming 4WD and turbo ? )
The Evo I was referring to is an 1800 turbo, so with the 40% fi weighting it still falls below the over 2600 cc class and therefore is in the same class as a 2.0 litre Clio would be. The championship doesn't segregate 4wd cars so that doesn't help either.Is there still a small engine class?
An AX Gt will have a good chance of winning its class, this is my former championship winning car in the ASWMC Sprint Championship up to 1400cc class. It's got quite a good spec don't be put off by running a small engine! Might be for sale in a couple of weeks if the new car comes to fruition.
At only 700 kg they have a big advantage = low weight good handling lots of grip and very tuneable.
An AX Gt will have a good chance of winning its class, this is my former championship winning car in the ASWMC Sprint Championship up to 1400cc class. It's got quite a good spec don't be put off by running a small engine! Might be for sale in a couple of weeks if the new car comes to fruition.
At only 700 kg they have a big advantage = low weight good handling lots of grip and very tuneable.
Edited by rallycross on Thursday 24th September 14:23
Edited by rallycross on Thursday 24th September 20:21
http://www.resultsman.co.uk/LiveTiming/EventViewer...
There was a TT at Prescott in our class, IMO too heavy and not enough power to be "on the pace".
cheers
There was a TT at Prescott in our class, IMO too heavy and not enough power to be "on the pace".
cheers
rallycross said:
Is there still a small engine class?
An AX Gt will have a good chance of winning its class, this is my former championship winning car in the ASWMC Sprint Championship up to 1400cc class. It's got quite a good spec don't be put off by running a small engine! Might be for sale in a couple of weeks if the new car comes to fruition.
At only 700 kg they have a big advantage = low weight good handling lots of grip and very tuneable.
There is indeed a up to 1400 cc class, I guess that's a possibility! Might be interested at the right price An AX Gt will have a good chance of winning its class, this is my former championship winning car in the ASWMC Sprint Championship up to 1400cc class. It's got quite a good spec don't be put off by running a small engine! Might be for sale in a couple of weeks if the new car comes to fruition.
At only 700 kg they have a big advantage = low weight good handling lots of grip and very tuneable.
Edited by rallycross on Thursday 24th September 14:23
Edited by rallycross on Thursday 24th September 20:21
Mark A S said:
http://www.resultsman.co.uk/LiveTiming/EventViewer...
There was a TT at Prescott in our class, IMO too heavy and not enough power to be "on the pace".
cheers
In our championships (AEMC, ASEMC, ACSMC) an Audi TT would be in the 4WD class along with all the Scoobs, Evos (inc. one with 600bhp) and Skylines. Unless it was the 150bhp FWD version of course, then it would be in the class that has the Integra Type Rs.There was a TT at Prescott in our class, IMO too heavy and not enough power to be "on the pace".
cheers
I've hillclimbed a 172 Cup for 5yrs in the SW, as you suspected they aren't powerful enough to be really competitive unless you can spend lots of money.
I've had a few decent finishes but mainly in the wet where the power advantage isn't as noticeable.
I've often thought a decent Integra DC2 would be great but it would be up against Elises etc down here.
I've had a few decent finishes but mainly in the wet where the power advantage isn't as noticeable.
I've often thought a decent Integra DC2 would be great but it would be up against Elises etc down here.
LordHaveMurci said:
I've often thought a decent Integra DC2 would be great but it would be up against Elises etc down here.
Over here ("East Side") the Elises are in a separate class with the Caterhams, Sylvas, KTM X-Bows, Westfields, etc. Otherwise there would be no point in running anything else in the "up to 1600cc Standard Production" class.carl_w said:
Over here ("East Side") the Elises are in a separate class with the Caterhams, Sylvas, KTM X-Bows, Westfields, etc. Otherwise there would be no point in running anything else in the "up to 1600cc Standard Production" class.
The class structure down here makes little sense to me to be honest, it's only going to get worse with all the new 1.6 turbo cars now, they'll dominate in a year or two when values drop. 
the mx5 is poorly served b y the SW class split as the 1.8 is actually 1840cc so right at the bottom of the class. As a result of this last year Bristol Motor club created a challenge event for mx5s. Details here
http://bristolmc.org.uk/mx5challenge/
It consisted of 2 x autsolos and 3 x sprints,.
The events are not especially for the challenge rather the challenge uses existing events such as the Great western sprint and creates a separate class for mx5s.
It will be happening again next year with a few tweaks to be announced, don't quote me , it is likely there will be more events and no list 1B tyres. The mx5 needs to be normally aspirated and the aim is to keep costs down and competition even to minimize the cheque book racing sprinting can sometimes become
so get an mx5 and join us, there were 10 competitors at all of the rounds last year with more expressions of interest for 2016 should be fun again !
http://bristolmc.org.uk/mx5challenge/
It consisted of 2 x autsolos and 3 x sprints,.
The events are not especially for the challenge rather the challenge uses existing events such as the Great western sprint and creates a separate class for mx5s.
It will be happening again next year with a few tweaks to be announced, don't quote me , it is likely there will be more events and no list 1B tyres. The mx5 needs to be normally aspirated and the aim is to keep costs down and competition even to minimize the cheque book racing sprinting can sometimes become
so get an mx5 and join us, there were 10 competitors at all of the rounds last year with more expressions of interest for 2016 should be fun again !
Edited by binnerboy on Monday 28th September 15:47
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