Is this ban enough ?
Discussion
Well now you come to mention it...
Avoid stupid hair colours
Certainly stop fiddling with your hair on the podium (for which there should be a 3 place penalty)
What about those tatoos?
Keeping well-dodgy company
partying
daft tweets
Questionable fashion sense
Second-rate photo shoots
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.
.
the list goes on, that boy has got some growing up to do. And he's not had a pole or win since he changed his hair colour back. Just saying, but that was clearly going to end badly.
Bert
(consider the parrot whooshing)
Avoid stupid hair colours
Certainly stop fiddling with your hair on the podium (for which there should be a 3 place penalty)
What about those tatoos?
Keeping well-dodgy company
partying
daft tweets
Questionable fashion sense
Second-rate photo shoots
.
.
.
the list goes on, that boy has got some growing up to do. And he's not had a pole or win since he changed his hair colour back. Just saying, but that was clearly going to end badly.
Bert
(consider the parrot whooshing)
As we wander off to another subject, perhaps we could discuss the topic in hand, namely Dan Ticktum.
I cant argue with the penalty, it was a moment of complete madness and the price he has paid is huge.
Earlier in the season a clash at Croft with Lando Norris got him excluded from the meeting.
It seemed very harsh but maybe there was more to it that meets the eye?
However Helmut Marko could see the talent that Dan had and he was a regular in the Red bull simulator.
Apparently he was quicker that all the Red Bull drivers including the F1 drivers.
A championship victory in MSA Formula would have no doubt secured funding for 2016
All this has now gone and in reality he will not be racing until he is 18 I guess
As we know 18 is too old to be in the junior formulas.
So effectively his route to F1 is virtually dead.
That is a massive price to pay for a minute of madness.
During the 2014 season 2 Ginetta drivers at Knockhill had a multi crash into each other after the chequered flag, each crashing into each other several times causing serious damage to both cars.
Ginetta junior drivers? No, both mature seniors with several seasons racing behind them, and the penalty?
Well they were both racing as soon as their cars were repaired.
So where is the parity in penalties in the BTCC package?
But back to Dan, the whole episode is so sad, the lad is hugely talented and he was a brilliant hope for the future.
Hopefully help will be on hand to straighten him out and hopefully he will be back on track, older and wiser.
His licence may be taken away but his talent remains, good luck to him in the future.
I cant argue with the penalty, it was a moment of complete madness and the price he has paid is huge.
Earlier in the season a clash at Croft with Lando Norris got him excluded from the meeting.
It seemed very harsh but maybe there was more to it that meets the eye?
However Helmut Marko could see the talent that Dan had and he was a regular in the Red bull simulator.
Apparently he was quicker that all the Red Bull drivers including the F1 drivers.
A championship victory in MSA Formula would have no doubt secured funding for 2016
All this has now gone and in reality he will not be racing until he is 18 I guess
As we know 18 is too old to be in the junior formulas.
So effectively his route to F1 is virtually dead.
That is a massive price to pay for a minute of madness.
During the 2014 season 2 Ginetta drivers at Knockhill had a multi crash into each other after the chequered flag, each crashing into each other several times causing serious damage to both cars.
Ginetta junior drivers? No, both mature seniors with several seasons racing behind them, and the penalty?
Well they were both racing as soon as their cars were repaired.
So where is the parity in penalties in the BTCC package?
But back to Dan, the whole episode is so sad, the lad is hugely talented and he was a brilliant hope for the future.
Hopefully help will be on hand to straighten him out and hopefully he will be back on track, older and wiser.
His licence may be taken away but his talent remains, good luck to him in the future.
7/11 said:
His licence may be taken away but his talent remains, good luck to him in the future.
I am one of those who thinks that his penalty is too soft in that it will cost him next season and the reputation will stick but after his Croft antics this was way beyond the pale. This was not a heat of the moment reaction. he had plenty or time before he reached his intended to realise that what he was doing was wrong. Not to do so really does bring more questions about him for me than the actual final act itself, bad as that was.If he is really THAT good then a year out will hurt and the rep will not do favours but he will still get where he wants, he has just made it a whole lot harder. First though he needs to learn to control his emotions and consider the implications (both actual and potential) of his actions.
I have thought that the FIA and by following them, the MSA and their stewards, have been too soft on dealing with 'intentional' accidents. The Prost/Senna incident in 1989 was a bit too difficult to call. The 1990 one would have had me removing Mr Senna's points and his licence for 12 months.
For far too long people have been punting others off with little consequence for them. BTCC has lost almost all credibility in my eyes (seemingly a bit better this year though) as a result of 'push off to pass' being accepted as part of the show and something not to be punished.
In sort it looks to me as though we might have turned a corner in 2015 and driving standards are actually being looked at with greater scrutiny than for many years. Long may it continue. There will always be harsh decisions and I understand as well as any that a little contact will always take place (See Macau GT World Cup Final Race 2 for details) but deliberate and obvious contact should be stamped on hard. What this driver did is several orders of magnitude worse...
This does appear to be more than just a heat of the moment ding dong (not that I mean to belittle that form of reckless driving, as I've seen several such incidents that resulted in very serious accidents and I support totally non-contact racing with no exceptions), it was pre-meditated, plus this guy's actions endangered the lives of not just competitors, but potentially plenty of marshalls as well, as would be the case under safety car conditions.I can imagine that maybe he'd been unfairly treated in the past and something further must have happened in this race to trigger this episode, but nevertheless, we must always take responsibility for our actions, and a complaint to the stewards is the thing to do, rather than hit back. The Senna movie for example tried to justify Senna's actions against Prost in 1990 at Turn 1 by illustrating the injustice of what had happened at the final turn the year previously, but personally I don't think two wrongs will ever make a right - it's just not how you behave, especially in a sport.
e21Mark said:
The guy admitted he'd been a fool and understood the gravity of his actions. Hopefully he will learn a lesson and move on. I know I did a few stupid things as a kid and I'm sure most people here did so as well.
Maturity varies at a lot at 16 and I know I was pretty immature then.The thing I like about the penalty is the second year being suspended. That will have the effect of a sword of Damocles over his head if he transgresses again (assuming that's what it means).
Perhaps if he has great talent and can control himself he can learn and do well.
Bert
Perhaps if he has great talent and can control himself he can learn and do well.
Bert
Edited by BertBert on Thursday 3rd December 10:49
coppice said:
Oh FFS - multi millionaire world champion racing driver with the world at his feet has a minor shunt - thank God one of them shows some human traits. 'Keep on a tighter leash ' - so they can all spout the sort of corporate drivel which comes out of most drivers' mouths ? Spare me.
By the way ,what should LH be doing when he's at home in Monaco? Sleeping ? Ironing ?Studying self improvement books ? We should be told
Yeah, McLaren did such a great job of that... By the way ,what should LH be doing when he's at home in Monaco? Sleeping ? Ironing ?Studying self improvement books ? We should be told
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1260963/Le...
Back on topic, for me the ban should have been a lifetime one.
I race occasionally at a low level and from my own personal point of view, given the lads has history of being a hothead, I wouldn't want to be on track with him. Racing is dangerous enough as it is without idiots with a chip on their shoulder thinking they can do what they like. The lack of respect for his competitors is one thing, but the complete disregard for the marshals safety is beyond forgiveness IMO. They have a dangerous enough job to do as it is without this sort of utterly moronic driving.
We'll see him on a grid of some sort in a years time as I doubt he'll struggle to find a team given the financial backing he has...
Rude-boy said:
As a started for 10:- http://www.thecheckeredflag.co.uk/2015/08/dan-tick...
I'm assuming there is more to that story. Drivers don't get excluded from a meeting just for contact and spinning a car. I can't find footage of that incident, nor the Silverstone one which surprises me.
I would suspect that unless someone has put it up on Youtube it will be very hard to find - no one, least of all the MSA, will want it to be up for long, if at all.
As he has not been in anything I can recall that I attend live and not many I know have spoken about him (at least in terms of actual talent rather than his actions) I can't really comment but to get thrown out of an entire meeting you have to have done a bit more than cheek the CoC in the drivers briefing...
As he has not been in anything I can recall that I attend live and not many I know have spoken about him (at least in terms of actual talent rather than his actions) I can't really comment but to get thrown out of an entire meeting you have to have done a bit more than cheek the CoC in the drivers briefing...
indigorallye said:
I'm assuming there is more to that story. Drivers don't get excluded from a meeting just for contact and spinning a car.
I can't find footage of that incident, nor the Silverstone one which surprises me.
There certainly is more. See the original link, quote, "Ticktum ignored 13 yellow flags, four double-yellow flags, two white flags and 15 safety-car boards to overtake 10 cars and catch back up to his rival during the safety-car period, before making contact."I can't find footage of that incident, nor the Silverstone one which surprises me.
In other words he not only endangered his opponent, but all the other competitors, the marshals, the safety regulations, and the good name of motor racing.
His only excuse is his youth and obvious immaturity. Such an offence deserves severe punishment and the suspended further year is a good way of keeping his mind in order, if he does get back. If he can and NEVER offends again, good luck to him. If he does, that suspension should be a life ban.
But at risk of diverting this thread, I think that this is just another example of how standards have dropped on the track in the last twenty years. The best example for me is the Birkett Six Hour Relay Race. It was designed as an end-of-season jolly, and when I was first involved it still was. All sorts of cars from veterans to the latest were entered with wide ranging speeds and sizes. For example, Stanley Mann's 6.5L Mother Gun Bentley and 750 Formula cars, about the biggest and smallest race cars on the track at once. Not for nothing did the CoC describe the Birkett as the most dangerous race in the world, but because it was conducted with respect, it had the best safety record.
After the 2000s, I could not get a team of classic car racers to enter. They were fed up with being monstered by much faster moderns and damaged by inconsiderate overtaking. The whole ethos had changed and for much worse.
JOhn
It seems that he's maintained relations over the year. Back in a race car: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/126612...
Some Gump said:
Well I hope he crashes (alone), and the marshalls show him the contempt he showed them.
Why any team would want this kid driving for them, I don't know. That safety car incident is totally inexcusable.
Agreed (except for the crashing bit). Should have been a life ban - absolutely inexcusable. The team involved should be ashamed.Why any team would want this kid driving for them, I don't know. That safety car incident is totally inexcusable.
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