HANS query

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e21Mark

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16,205 posts

172 months

Sunday 10th April 2016
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Intend running my E30 BMW at Crystal Palace next month. It's caged etc but remains street legal. Am I right in thinking that HANS isn't mandatory till 2017, for road going classes?

I intend getting one but it's an expense too far right now.

Trev450

6,314 posts

171 months

Sunday 10th April 2016
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FHR's are not currently mandatory for road going/production road going classes and afaik, there is no plan to make them so.

e21Mark

Original Poster:

16,205 posts

172 months

Sunday 10th April 2016
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That's good news, thanks.

stevieturbo

17,229 posts

246 months

Sunday 10th April 2016
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e21Mark said:
That's good news, thanks.
As above, it's all about the class you run in, not whether it's road legal or not.

Mines 100% a road car too, but because of just an engine change it gets forced into silly classes which do now force a HANS
And have to say they really are uncomfortable !

Dave Brand

928 posts

267 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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FHR devices may be a big expense or uncomfortable in use but a serious neck injury is a damn sight more expensive & uncomfortable.

Mansells Tash

5,713 posts

205 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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stevieturbo said:
....have to say they really are uncomfortable !
I'd suggest trying different models, you shouldn't really notice a correctly fitting HANS unless there is something seriously odd about your neck and shoulders, it's like saying a harness is uncomfortable, if it fits correctly, you shouldn't be able to say that. I always wear mine and I never notice it, I've never heard another person say they're uncomfortable either.

Boarder1

196 posts

246 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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Racing is just not worth the risk without a HANS device, you cannot put a price on safety and you only get one body!

Mansells Tash

5,713 posts

205 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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Boarder1 said:
Racing is just not worth the risk without a HANS device, you cannot put a price on safety and you only get one body!
With respect, it seems alot of people can do exactly that an put a price on safety...about 250 quid (for an HANS). Its hardly like it isnt a proven life saver as well, I just dont get why there is ANY resistance to it. Even if it were not mandatory I'd have one.

evilmiyagi

127 posts

108 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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IMHO for the sake of c. £300 and the potential for averting serious neck injury, I'd be using one whether mandatory or not...

Personally I've never raced without one but I certainly don't notice it when it is on...

Any reputable motorsport supplier will gladly let you try different models/types/sizes smile

e21Mark

Original Poster:

16,205 posts

172 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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I do intend getting one, I simply cannot afford one prior to Mays event and I am happy to take the risk of being on track, for what amounts to under 6 minutes, without one. I am well aware a neck can be broken in seconds though and this is why I will indeed buy the best I can. As I do speed events I don't have as much risk as I would, were I racing other cars and drivers, but accidents can happen all the same.

stevieturbo

17,229 posts

246 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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Boarder1 said:
Racing is just not worth the risk without a HANS device, you cannot put a price on safety and you only get one body!
So you must have a pretty comprehensive cage in the car, all the best harness and race suit, race seat, most expensive helmet etc etc. Best suspension, tyres, driver tuition etc ? And a car only built by the best in the business ?
And then drive it very safely ? And only race at the locations with the best safety marshals, paramedics on scene etc ?

Yes you can put a price on safety. I'm sure not a single person here spends as much as they could on safety gear for the simple reality either they cannot afford, or it simply isnt good value for money....or perhaps not even needed or relevant.

Weslake-Monza

461 posts

182 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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How about you have an accident and before you get out of the car you tell the Marshals your neck aches. In a jiffy you'll be sitting in a 'convertible' with a board down you back. What price can you put on a new shell and roll cage?

BertBert

18,954 posts

210 months

Wednesday 13th April 2016
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Weslake-Monza said:
How about you have an accident and before you get out of the car you tell the Marshals your neck aches. In a jiffy you'll be sitting in a 'convertible' with a board down you back. What price can you put on a new shell and roll cage?
what does this post mean?

Altrezia

8,517 posts

210 months

Wednesday 13th April 2016
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I love mine - don't find it gets in the way or anything, and when I did have a shunt I barely felt it.

I might 'upgrade' to one of the hybrid things soon too. Nowt wrong with making things safer.

majordad

3,600 posts

196 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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BertBert said:
what does this post mean?
It's Standard Operating Procedure to remove the casualty from the wreck in a manner that ensures he suffers no further injuries, they use large cutters to remove the roof. I know, I saw this happen at a race.

stevieturbo

17,229 posts

246 months

Friday 15th April 2016
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majordad said:
It's Standard Operating Procedure to remove the casualty from the wreck in a manner that ensures he suffers no further injuries, they use large cutters to remove the roof. I know, I saw this happen at a race.
Sure this happened at the roadside where the person involved in an accident had got out of the car and was sitting in the car of a passer by who stopped to help....they got the notion the person shouldnt be moved and cut the roof of that car !!!

Insane, I'd break the fkers neck who cut the roof off !

BertBert

18,954 posts

210 months

Friday 15th April 2016
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majordad said:
BertBert said:
what does this post mean?
It's Standard Operating Procedure to remove the casualty from the wreck in a manner that ensures he suffers no further injuries, they use large cutters to remove the roof. I know, I saw this happen at a race.
Thanks, I was clearly being hard of comprehension there biggrin

Weslake-Monza

461 posts

182 months

Friday 15th April 2016
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Wearing a HANS means there may no further injuries and the roof may stay on. Or no HANS the roof stays on and you spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair?

grumpy52

5,565 posts

165 months

Monday 18th April 2016
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The chances are that if you've had an accident bad enough for you not to be able to remove yourself from the car worrying about having the roof chopped off will be the last thing on your mind .Having the best safety equipment pays off when it goes really wrong .
Having marshalled at all levels over 36 years I only saw a handful of saloons that had roofs removed by rescue crews .
It's always recommended to spend money on safety equipment before making the car faster .

e21Mark

Original Poster:

16,205 posts

172 months

Monday 23rd May 2016
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Well it seems that because my interior is not 100% OE I am now required to run a HANS. Can't quite get the reasoning behind it but looks like I won't be competing next weekend unless I can find £300 to buy one.