Non race B license? How's that work?
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I read something at the weekend saying that you can apply for a non race National B license for Hillclimbing and that it's just £33 and a medical. Apparently by doing events you can get signatures to upgrade it like you do when you go from a National B race to a National A.
Is this correct?
If so, that suggests that you could do this and start competing in hillclimbing straight away, get a race license after a season and never actually take an ARDS test.
What gives?
Is this correct?
If so, that suggests that you could do this and start competing in hillclimbing straight away, get a race license after a season and never actually take an ARDS test.
What gives?
No .
There is a 'Non Race NAT A' and a 'Race NAT A'.
You cannot go from a non race to a race licence without an ARDS test.
The reason a Non Race NAT A exists is you need it to drive certain types of hillclimb car. It does not allow you to circuit race.
Also you don't need a medical to get a Non Race NAT B unless you are over a certain age.
There is a 'Non Race NAT A' and a 'Race NAT A'.
You cannot go from a non race to a race licence without an ARDS test.
The reason a Non Race NAT A exists is you need it to drive certain types of hillclimb car. It does not allow you to circuit race.
Also you don't need a medical to get a Non Race NAT B unless you are over a certain age.
It goes
Non-Race Nat B
Speed Nat A
Speed Nat A (Open)
Speed International
Non-race Nat B will get you into almost all sprints or hillclimbs on a national level and doesn't require a medical although you need to make a declaration that you are fit to compete. The others are for single seaters over a certain capacity and then international sprints/hillclimb.
Non-Race Nat B
Speed Nat A
Speed Nat A (Open)
Speed International
Non-race Nat B will get you into almost all sprints or hillclimbs on a national level and doesn't require a medical although you need to make a declaration that you are fit to compete. The others are for single seaters over a certain capacity and then international sprints/hillclimb.
jeffw said:
It goes
Non-Race Nat B
Speed Nat A
Speed Nat A (Open)
Speed International
Non-race Nat B will get you into almost all sprints or hillclimbs on a national level and doesn't require a medical although you need to make a declaration that you are fit to compete. The others are for single seaters over a certain capacity and then international sprints/hillclimb.
That is wrong. A non Race Nat B licence will NOT get you into almost all hillblimbs!! It will only get you into Nat B events. You will not be able to get into any Nat A events unless they have a separate class for Nat B licence holders.Non-Race Nat B
Speed Nat A
Speed Nat A (Open)
Speed International
Non-race Nat B will get you into almost all sprints or hillclimbs on a national level and doesn't require a medical although you need to make a declaration that you are fit to compete. The others are for single seaters over a certain capacity and then international sprints/hillclimb.
Once you have the necessary signatures you can upgrade to Nat A. This will get you into ALL Hillclimbs. Also Nat B holders cannot compete in certain vehicles over 2.0 Litre.
Depends what you want to do?
If you go get a Race Nat B, and you only hillclimb there is no way to get to a race National A without competing in 6 circuit races. And therefore being able to compete in a Nat A hillclimb events.
I would get the Non race Nat B. See if you like it and go from there.
If you go get a Race Nat B, and you only hillclimb there is no way to get to a race National A without competing in 6 circuit races. And therefore being able to compete in a Nat A hillclimb events.
I would get the Non race Nat B. See if you like it and go from there.
Bertrum said:
Depends what you want to do?
If you go get a Race Nat B, and you only hillclimb there is no way to get to a race National A without competing in 6 circuit races. And therefore being able to compete in a Nat A hillclimb events.
I would get the Non race Nat B. See if you like it and go from there.
We (me and the Mrs) want to try hillclimbing first as a bit of a taste of competitive motorsport before moving onto circuit racing. Additionally, we could start taking part in the road going production class before the expense of the roll cage, fire extinguishers etc. are forked out, meaning getting into something sooner. If you go get a Race Nat B, and you only hillclimb there is no way to get to a race National A without competing in 6 circuit races. And therefore being able to compete in a Nat A hillclimb events.
I would get the Non race Nat B. See if you like it and go from there.
A national B speed license will get you into hillclimbs, which are National B registered.
In reality the majority of meetings are National A and National B registered simultaneously - a handful are exclusively A, but not so many.
On you national B license you can drive any car with the exception of sports libre and racing cars of 2000 cc and over. (I presume your M3 is standard and therefore counts as a production car and is therefore allowed under a B license).
Keep your nose clean and get 6 signatures and you can upgrade to a National A speed license. This means you can enter any meeting in any car.
Neither of these are circuit racing licenses and do not permit you to compete with other cars. They are exclusively for sprints and hillclimbs.
In reality the majority of meetings are National A and National B registered simultaneously - a handful are exclusively A, but not so many.
On you national B license you can drive any car with the exception of sports libre and racing cars of 2000 cc and over. (I presume your M3 is standard and therefore counts as a production car and is therefore allowed under a B license).
Keep your nose clean and get 6 signatures and you can upgrade to a National A speed license. This means you can enter any meeting in any car.
Neither of these are circuit racing licenses and do not permit you to compete with other cars. They are exclusively for sprints and hillclimbs.
TroubledSoul said:
We (me and the Mrs) want to try hillclimbing first as a bit of a taste of competitive motorsport before moving onto circuit racing. Additionally, we could start taking part in the road going production class before the expense of the roll cage, fire extinguishers etc. are forked out, meaning getting into something sooner.
I think that is a good way to go. You can compete with the car as is, just add a timing strut put the tow eyes on and a sticker on the ignition to show which way is off. The Hill Climb and Sprint association is a good place to start. http://www.hillclimbandsprint.co.uk/
Make sure you buy your safety kit with a view to race, so that you don't have to replace it all at a later date. Blue Book has the standards to comply with.
westwood35 said:
That is wrong. A non Race Nat B licence will NOT get you into almost all hillblimbs!! It will only get you into Nat B events. You will not be able to get into any Nat A events unless they have a separate class for Nat B licence holders.
Once you have the necessary signatures you can upgrade to Nat A. This will get you into ALL Hillclimbs. Also Nat B holders cannot compete in certain vehicles over 2.0 Litre.
Actually it isn't wrong as most hillclimbs/sprints are Nat B. However it could have been worded better to avoid confusion.Once you have the necessary signatures you can upgrade to Nat A. This will get you into ALL Hillclimbs. Also Nat B holders cannot compete in certain vehicles over 2.0 Litre.
Seeing your location get yourself to Harewood Hill on May 7th - plenty of people there who will be able to give you advice and you can see the cars in different classes and chat with drivers, scrutineers and other officials. The over 2 litre road modified class (which is also for standard cars at Harewood) has been split between 2wd and 4wd cars this year meaning that you will have a good chance in the class now the Evos and similar are fighting amongst themselves - typically 5-600hp with 4wd made it tough for any 2wd car to win the class. The 8th May will also be a good day but as a round of the British Hillclimb championship there will be less of the National B runners taking part.
TroubledSoul said:
We (me and the Mrs) want to try hillclimbing first as a bit of a taste of competitive motorsport before moving onto circuit racing. Additionally, we could start taking part in the road going production class before the expense of the roll cage, fire extinguishers etc. are forked out, meaning getting into something sooner.
A really good way to try it out without too much expense is to have a go at one of the hillclimb schools. It's a good day out, no pressure and you'll learn a lot (and whether you'd actually enjoy hillclimbing).Take a look at http://www.classic-marques-speed-challenge.com/ it's a mix of Hillclimbs & Sprints. You can mix & match the 2 disciplines on a Non-Race National B. An M3 would fit in nicely.
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