Hill Climb/Sprint RWD car recommendations?

[stevieturbo]

rossyl said:

Yep. Autosolos look more fun than Autotests, I've got a terrible sense of direction!!

Why don't Ford, Vauxhall, Citroen, Renault - those more run of the mill brands produce a decent RWD car?

Seems absurd pretty much the only cheap option is a Mazda.

Vauxhall do their VX220, or if you treat it as a Vauxhall ( ie it's a Holden ) there are the various Monaro, VXR8 etc

The Mazda is only cheap because they've been around for ages hence are very old models. And dont think they carried a huge price when new anyway ?

There will be plenty of cheap BMW options, or I'm sure you could find some old Merc's too, or Volvo.

Mercedes SLK ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2000-MERCEDES-SLK-200-KO...

Toyota MR2's, Supra, Lexus Soarer are other options.

Will they be fast, will they handle superbly etc etc...probably not. But they'd be cheap if that's what you want.

Then there's the Nissan 180, 200, 300 etc all of which are rwd....and going a little stranger, what if you got a normally 4wd car and converted it to rwd ? eg Subaru ? It's very easy to do

Either way, there are options....taking the theme a little further again and well within budget...a Smart car LOL

[carl_w]

rossyl said:

Yep. Autosolos look more fun than Autotests, I've got a terrible sense of direction!!

You still need a sense of direction to do Autosolos. Hence why I've only done one...

[andye30m3]

carl_w said:

rossyl said:

Yep. Autosolos look more fun than Autotests, I've got a terrible sense of direction!!

You still need a sense of direction to do Autosolos. Hence why I've only done one...

Yes my one and only attempt at a solo involved many wrong turns

[fat80b]

andye30m3 said:

Yes my one and only attempt at a solo involved many wrong turns

They shouldn't be that hard, - here in the AMSC competitions in East Anglia they are generally easy to drive on sight:
You get a nice clear map, you get to walk the tests beforehand (this is where you learn them) and all the cones / gates have numbers on them.

If you still get it wrong then just spend a bit more time learning them when you walk them. My tip is to walk them by yourself - I find if I walk them with others, you tend to chat and not concentrate on the layout....

Bob

[rossyl]

stevieturbo said:

Vauxhall do their VX220, or if you treat it as a Vauxhall ( ie it's a Holden ) there are the various Monaro, VXR8 etc

The Mazda is only cheap because they've been around for ages hence are very old models. And dont think they carried a huge price when new anyway ?

There will be plenty of cheap BMW options, or I'm sure you could find some old Merc's too, or Volvo.

Mercedes SLK ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2000-MERCEDES-SLK-200-KO...

Toyota MR2's, Supra, Lexus Soarer are other options.

Will they be fast, will they handle superbly etc etc...probably not. But they'd be cheap if that's what you want.

Then there's the Nissan 180, 200, 300 etc all of which are rwd....and going a little stranger, what if you got a normally 4wd car and converted it to rwd ? eg Subaru ? It's very easy to do

Either way, there are options....taking the theme a little further again and well within budget...a Smart car LOL

Excellent post - thanks very much.

Some are a tad expensive to maintain. If for example Ford/Vauxhall did a RWD to compete with a BMW 3 series, I imagine that would now be a cheap car.

[Furyblade_Lee]

Bizzarely I sprint a standard Eunos MX5 in standard production 1600 and a Prodrive PZ RX8 in standard production 2.0... Both cars can win their classes here in the SE, let me know if you want more info.

[tail slide]

Another vote for VX220, just be careful of the lift-off oversteer. Great value, evolved mine over years with top mods being supercharger and quaife lsd (NOT clutch-type, too vicious).

Had TVR first though and it did rather well, but pricey to own and run.

[Furyblade_Lee]

pablo said:

MX5 is your only choice really bar old BMWs but they will be heavy and under powered to be competitive, that said a standard MX5 will be probably be in the same class as things like Elises and S2000s so you wont be winning much although it varies significantly between club/championships.

I do think RWD is a strange stipulation, surely you want the best car for the money, that can be competitive out of the box, cheap to run and maintain and still lots of fun. I know you want RWD but £1k gets all sorts of small french hatchbacks and a whole host of randoms like Proton Coupes etc

Edited by pablo on Wednesday 20th July 12:58

??????????

Firstly, RWD being a strange stipulation? Why? I fortunately own several of each RWD and FWD, and FWD does not come close in the fun stakes. Fast yes, fun in the way only a RWD car can, er no.......

A standard Mx5 ( I sprint one ) here in the South East generally fits into the class A1 1600cc bog standard class, and while technically on paper should get toasted the 106 GTi / VTS brigde, they generally don't....
I just did a couple of events in South Wales, at Llandow and Llys y Fran. One event was an "MX5" class which as it turned out was close as some of the others were not too modified. Just 1.07 seconds separated 1st to 4th. But could have been vastly different as anything went really.
And the other event we were in the 1400cc to 2000cc class. That was just the cc split locally there. But you should never have to compete against an Elise, production numbers or composite chassis rules quite rightly normally separate them.

My advice is if locally you have a 1600cc class structure get an early MK1 Eunos, if you have a 2.0 class get a PZ RX8!

[rossyl]

Furyblade_Lee said:

Bizzarely I sprint a standard Eunos MX5 in standard production 1600 and a Prodrive PZ RX8 in standard production 2.0... Both cars can win their classes here in the SE, let me know if you want more info.

Furyblade_Lee said:

A standard Mx5 ( I sprint one ) here in the South East generally fits into the class A1 1600cc bog standard class, and while technically on paper should get toasted the 106 GTi / VTS brigde, they generally don't....

I would really appreciate if you could let me know what series/club you Sprint in.

Many thanks!

Edited by rossyl on Thursday 4th August 14:07

[e21Mark]

MX5 are great fun, although as a taller driver I got tired of the limited space. A cheap 325/328 and plenty of added lightness is fun too though. In fact, an e30 316/318 can be put on a diet and are cheap to run.

[df76]

rossyl said:

I would really appreciate if you could let me know what series/club you Sprint in.

Many thanks!

Edited by rossyl on Thursday 4th August 14:07

The following have "standard" upto 1.6 classes:

https://acsmcsite.wordpress.com/2016/01/31/speed-c...

http://aemc.org.uk/Sprint

http://asemc.co.uk/speed/

And the Tunbridge Wells MC, but their website doesn't seem to be working right now.

[V8RX7]

I think a few are moving quite a way from the £1k target price.

The obvious choices are:

MX5
MR2 Mk2
MR2 MK3
MGF (they are surprisingly good)
BMW E30 / E36 / Compact

[e21Mark]

V8RX7 said:

I think a few are moving quite a way from the £1k target price.

The obvious choices are:

MX5
MR2 Mk2
MR2 MK3
MGF (they are surprisingly good)
BMW E30 / E36 / Compact

If you're quick OP.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282113455076?ssPageName=...

[stevieturbo]

As gay as they are....Porsche Boxsters can be bought cheaply too.

[Trev450]

stevieturbo said:

As gay as they are....Porsche Boxsters can be bought cheaply too.

But not run cheaply.

[stevieturbo]

Trev450 said:

But not run cheaply.

Depends who does the work and how much breaks lol

but the thread does go to show...there are actually quite a lot of rwd cars out there and affordable ones too.

[rossyl]

Though i still think out of all the choices the MX5 is the one to get. My second choice would be an old BMW.

For about £1k i doubt you'll get much better.

[andy97]

Bmw Compact?

You could prepare it over time to the Compact Cup race spec

Edited by andy97 on Monday 8th August 18:09

[e21Mark]

andy97 said:

Bmw Compact?

You could prepare it over time to the Compact Cup race spec

Edited by andy97 on Monday 8th August 18:09

https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/65735/bmw-318ti-compact-cup-car

[Furyblade_Lee]

rossyl said:

Furyblade_Lee said:

Bizzarely I sprint a standard Eunos MX5 in standard production 1600 and a Prodrive PZ RX8 in standard production 2.0... Both cars can win their classes here in the SE, let me know if you want more info.

Furyblade_Lee said:

A standard Mx5 ( I sprint one ) here in the South East generally fits into the class A1 1600cc bog standard class, and while technically on paper should get toasted the 106 GTi / VTS brigde, they generally don't....

I would really appreciate if you could let me know what series/club you Sprint in.

Many thanks!



I really would reccomend a 225 RX8 in the 2.0 class ( ok with rotary equivalency factor ) . For £1,000 you should get a runner. The PZ is the daddy with its trick suspension and lightweight OZ wheels, but you are looking at £2,500 for one of those. I share one with my friend Paul in the SE sprints, its generally up against Type R Integras and RS Clios in the 2.0 production class. Its only lost twice in 3 years, one was due to going off at Llyden . And they are WAY more fun that a Clio ( ( I have a 172 and speak from experience! )

We belong to the Sevenoaks Motor Club and compete in its Speed League.

Edited by rossyl on Thursday 4th August 14:07