Waved yellows - how slow do you go?

[simes43]

Tommo Two said:

As in the video I've posted above, as close to the limit as possible but just legal.

Very valid points about dropped fluids, I've gone off on anti freeze before, I couldn’t see it, didn’t even realise, I thought I had a flat tyre! 3 people went off after me and had a big accident on the grass. So all well and good seeing someone in the grass, not knowing they have spun thinking I won’t bother lifting much because they are off track, you could follow them in!

With reference to seeing yellows, for a car that’s had a spin, if that car is recovering and going slowly. It’s my interpretation that you are allowed to overtake the recovering car, not based on anything substantial more common sense.

Another confusing one with flags is safety car re starts: you can’t overtake till you cross the start finish line, even if marshals are waving green flags before. That’s caught a fair few people out!

I find racing to the line under waved yellows, due to a safety car interaction, counterintuitive too.

[df76]

simes43 said:

I find racing to the line under waved yellows, due to a safety car interaction, counterintuitive too.

That is not how the MSA safety car regs work. Once you see yellow flags waved, it's no overtaking and slow down.

[Tommo Two]

df76 said:

That is not how the MSA safety car regs work. Once you see yellow flags waved, it's no overtaking and slow down.

I'm on about when the saftey car pulls in and you are back to racing

[df76]

Tommo Two said:

df76 said:

That is not how the MSA safety car regs work. Once you see yellow flags waved, it's no overtaking and slow down.

I'm on about when the saftey car pulls in and you are back to racing

Agreed, the green flags but no overtaking until the start line is going to confuse.

[mcdjl]

Tommo Two said:

Video of loosing it on anti freeze 5mins ish the start was also pretty poor if u want to see a how not to do it vid!

https://youtu.be/QQmn3Uv7Lgg

I think I watched that happen from between the bridges. You were the first off, after the second car followed you we guessed there was something but were too far up to be any use. Yellows went out as they should, but no 'oil' flag. The impact was severe and one or two near misses on top. Hence the red flag...

[Rude-boy]

Having stood trackside for many, many years i have seen a great many very nasty accidents as a result of 'racing drivers' failing to slow sufficiently for incidents that they have no knowledge of the severity of.

I am 100% in agreement that there are many circumstances where there are waved yellows and it isn't really necessary for the cars to slow down much, or at all, just to be aware. But then there have been as many occasions when some frustrated 'I could have been a contender' type barrells into somewhere like Druids at Oulton at unabated speed to find a Ginetta halfway across the track and mud and general crap covering the other part of the track...

IMO unless you can prove significant extenuating circumstances (like a lake of coolant) if you spin, loose control, or cross the white lines/extent of the kerb in a location where there are waved yellows that should be the end of your season for a first offence, end of your circuit racing for life for the second.

Racing drivers who act like dicks can be easily replaced, dead marshals/media a little tougher...

[Tommo Two]

mcdjl said:

I think I watched that happen from between the bridges. You were the first off, after the second car followed you we guessed there was something but were too far up to be any use. Yellows went out as they should, but no 'oil' flag. The impact was severe and one or two near misses on top. Hence the red flag...

Yep that's correct. It certainly was both black compact and silver coupe were written off and re-shelled, no injuries though.

I was happy to get away with a mashed up front bumper thanks to Mr Palmer's not so smooth beloved grass!

[Graham]

always slow to walking pace, and never hit the gas until after the green flag.



Honest




To be fair its always a judgment call, and never assume you can see the whole incident. Also remember the coc takes a very dim view if you dont slow enough and if you go off on a yellow expect an expensive visit to the stewards and an early bath.. I saw that happen to 4 guys last year. thankfully the driver i was looking after that time was only called up as a witness...

[mcdjl]

Tommo Two said:

Yep that's correct. It certainly was both black compact and silver coupe were written off and re-shelled, no injuries though.

I was happy to get away with a mashed up front bumper thanks to Mr Palmer's not so smooth beloved grass!

Glad everyone was ok...even the cars . Somewhat less excusable was the crash in the single seaters involving a car stuck in the gravel trap under yellows.
On the less scary side, watching one of the VSCC guys lock up and fail to make the turn into the paddock at the end of the race at Mallory under yellows was amusing.

[Dave Brand]

Rude-boy said:

IMO unless you can prove significant extenuating circumstances (like a lake of coolant) if you spin, loose(sic)control, or cross the white lines/extent of the kerb in a location where there are waved yellows that should be the end of your season for a first offence, end of your circuit racing for life for the second.

The day that happens will be the day I give up marshalling. The punishment needs to fit the crime; apply such draconian measures & you'd certainly solve the problem of drivers failing to slow down sufficiently for yellows. . . you'd have no drivers left within a couple of years.