James hunt

[acer12]

I see a lot of double standards on here where statistics are flexed to suit arguments and there is a lot of talk of rosberg not deserving the championship. E.g. Some posters yesterday stating that records will be broken with regards to the driver with most wins in a season without winning the championship, to me that's a bit of an irrelevant stat and definitely not a reflection on Hamilton/rosberg due to the sheer number of races in the modern calendar and the fact that Mercedes have won pretty much all of them.

So a question for those of you who feel rosberg does not deserve to be champion, would you agree that hunt is not a worthy world champion seeing as how he won his championship with his main competitor missing some races?

Or is it purely a British bias driver thing?

Edited by acer12 on Monday 14th November 07:54

[Smollet]

Anyone who scores the most points deserves to be champion in my book. Everything else is irrelevant over the course of the season unless you are a conspiracy theorist,fan boy or just plain biased.

[KevinCamaroSS]

Smollet said:

Anyone who scores the most points deserves to be champion in my book. Everything else is irrelevant over the course of the season unless you are a conspiracy theorist,fan boy or just plain biased.

Agreed, that is racing. If the best driver won every time it would be incredibly boring. Watch the first 2 or 3 races and know who is going to win the championship at that point.

[Shoegrip]

Smollet said:

Anyone who scores the most points deserves to be champion in my book. Everything else is irrelevant over the course of the season unless you are a conspiracy theorist,fan boy or just plain biased.

Agreed. I'm also not ashamed to be biased but that has got even stronger with the odds stacked against Hamilton.

When I saw the title of this thread, I thought Hunt was going to be another 2016 celebrity death!

[Alex]

Shoegrip said:

When I saw the title of this thread, I thought Hunt was going to be another 2016 celebrity death!

Sadly, Hunt was a 1993 celebrity death. Wow, was it really that long ago?

[Smollet]

Shoegrip said:

Smollet said:

Anyone who scores the most points deserves to be champion in my book. Everything else is irrelevant over the course of the season unless you are a conspiracy theorist,fan boy or just plain biased.

Agreed. I'm also not ashamed to be biased but that has got even stronger with the odds stacked against Hamilton.

When I saw the title of this thread, I thought Hunt was going to be another 2016 celebrity death!

Actually I would add anyone who deliberately drives another off the circuit to win the title is not a worthy champion. There's been a couple of those.

[tommunster10]

Shoegrip said:

Smollet said:

Anyone who scores the most points deserves to be champion in my book. Everything else is irrelevant over the course of the season unless you are a conspiracy theorist,fan boy or just plain biased.

Agreed. I'm also not ashamed to be biased but that has got even stronger with the odds stacked against Hamilton.

When I saw the title of this thread, I thought Hunt was going to be another 2016 celebrity death!

How old are you?

[Shoegrip]

Smollet said:

Actually I would add anyone who deliberately drives another off the circuit to win the title is not a worthy champion. There's been a couple of those.

I'm not sure that is what is going through their minds at the time, even though to the onlookers that is the obvious conclusion.

[Smollet]

Shoegrip said:

Smollet said:

Actually I would add anyone who deliberately drives another off the circuit to win the title is not a worthy champion. There's been a couple of those.

I'm not sure that is what is going through their minds at the time, even though to the onlookers that is the obvious conclusion.

Senna admitted it was deliberate a year later

[S0 What]

To be perfectly frank i would put Nicos championship this year (if it happens) totaly on par with Hunts, Hills (and Hill agrees with me here) and Buttons championship, luckyish but still deserving, every champion needs luck to play a PART in the perfect storm it usually takes to win over the course of a year (i say usually to discount totaly dominant years like a few of Michaels where the other driver in the team was a total No2 driver).
Hunts luck was Laudas crash,
Hills was obv Senna death and he recently said the same on camera in a skyF1 special on Senna, in his own opinion if Senna had lived he would not have been champion, ever.
Buttons luck was the double rear diffuser making the car EXACTLY as he liked it and as we've seen before and since, without a car exactly as he likes it he is pretty ordenary (a very few races appart like brazil 09 and canada 11) well as ordenary as any driver in F1 can be who's won races on merit (i say merit to leave Pastor out LOL) i count his win the same as the perfect storm/luck that won the above drivers thier championships.

[glazbagun]

acer12 said:

I see a lot of double standards on here where statistics are flexed to suit arguments and there is a lot of talk of rosberg not deserving the championship. E.g. Some posters yesterday stating that records will be broken with regards to the driver with most wins in a season without winning the championship, to me that's a bit of an irrelevant stat and definitely not a reflection on Hamilton/rosberg due to the sheer number of races in the modern calendar and the fact that Mercedes have won pretty much all of them.

So a question for those of you who feel rosberg does not deserve to be champion, would you agree that hunt is not a worthy world champion seeing as how he won his championship with his main competitor missing some races?

Or is it purely a British bias driver thing?

I certainly don't feel that Rosberg is an undeserving champion but ()and I'm no Hamilton fan I don't consider him to be as good historically as Hamilton. I think he may have simply had a bad 2015, which skews our impression of him. I also think the way he accepts second if it means winning the championship, while sensible, doesn't endear him as much as with Hunt's epic final drive of his championship season.

If Something (weather, bad pitstop) knocks Rosberg out of the winning position and he comes back from down the order like he did in Canada to win like LH did in 2008, I think he'd gain some more Kudos.

Regarding Hunt, while I think he was lucky to have Lauda out of it, I have read recently that he actually out drove all of his team mates and is often an under rated driver:

https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/who-was...

[Mr_Thyroid]

Lauda and Hunt actually had the same number of non-scoring rounds so arguably, yes, the champion was deserved.

One might argue that Hunt's aggressive driving style contributed to his non-scores however the same argument could explain Lauda's missed rounds.

Then there's the politics around the Italian GP which don't help the argument for Lauda either.

[tommunster10]

Basically its because he's British, well English. Same way Button and Hill are both deserving WDC despite like Nico just being in the best car the right time and having some fortune along the way.
Hypocritical isn't it?

[rubystone]

tommunster10 said:

Basically its because he's British, well English. Same way Button and Hill are both deserving WDC despite like Nico just being in the best car the right time and having some fortune along the way.
Hypocritical isn't it?

Eh?

[tommunster10]

rubystone said:

tommunster10 said:

Basically its because he's British, well English. Same way Button and Hill are both deserving WDC despite like Nico just being in the best car the right time and having some fortune along the way.
Hypocritical isn't it?

Eh?

Can you even read? You may not agree but to answer "eh?" just makes you sound like an utter ignoramus.
As a German living in the UK i can understand why English drivers will be heaped on with praise as others get none as this is England. But it doesn't mean i have to agree with it.

[5150]

I don't really care who wins, but what I do think is that if Rosberg does win the title, it will be his last. . .

[tommunster10]

5150 said:

I don't really care who wins, but what I do think is that if Rosberg does win the title, it will be his last. . .

But it could be anyone's last title if they never get in a competitive car again!! Stupid! look at Vettel, Alonso, Button, Kimi. You say it like you've unearthed some amazing knowledge!!
These may be Lewis's last WDC if the Merc isn't as stupidly dominate again and he doesn't just jump ship to the best car the rest of his career...

[rubystone]

tommunster10 said:

Can you even read? You may not agree but to answer "eh?" just makes you sound like an utter ignoramus.
As a German living in the UK i can understand why English drivers will be heaped on with praise as others get none as this is England. But it doesn't mean i have to agree with it.

I had a suspicion your first language wasn't English. And now I know your nationality, I understand why you are biased against Hamilton.

Finally, your rudeness suggests to me you hail from Bavaria. Am I correct?

The use of the superlative 'eh' was simply because I couldn't understand your post; the sentence construction was so poor. But you're now forgiven, based on the fact you're German. But your constant anti-Hamilton posting/baiting adds nothing to these threads and Pistonheads F1 forum would be a far better place without you.

[markcoznottz]

tommunster10 said:

Basically its because he's British, well English. Same way Button and Hill are both deserving WDC despite like Nico just being in the best car the right time and having some fortune along the way.
Hypocritical isn't it?

Buttons everyman personality gives him a bit more leeway, rosberg has the honour of being boring both in and out of the car, although I'm sure he's s laugh in the right surroundings. I remember button getting a fair bit of stick along the way, he has a habit of a mid season lull, even in '09, and indifferent quail at times. I still maintain he is a bit disappointing in an F1 car, given his unbelievable ability in a kart.

[5150]

tommunster10 said:

But it could be anyone's last title if they never get in a competitive car again!! Stupid! look at Vettel, Alonso, Button, Kimi. You say it like you've unearthed some amazing knowledge!!
These may be Lewis's last WDC if the Merc isn't as stupidly dominate again and he doesn't just jump ship to the best car the rest of his career...

Jeez. Calm down mate.

Rosberg has made such a meal of this season, I just can't see him winning a second title. Of course there's umpteen variables in this sport, so I could well be proved wrong....I doubt it tho. Not some 'amazing knowledge', merely an observation (like most on here).