Donington Park

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andrewcliffe

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954 posts

224 months

Thursday 12th January 2017
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Motorsport Vision, MSV, have taken a 21 year lease on Donington Park, from the Wheatcroft Estate.

Joins Snetterton, Brands Hatch, Cadwell Park, Oulton Park, Bedford Autodrome and the French place.

I wonder what this means for their Silverstone bid?

I think most people would agree that facilities and presentation at all of their other circuits have improved considerably since MSV have taken control.

Thurbs

2,780 posts

222 months

Thursday 12th January 2017
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Great circuit and seemed to be run well. Never considered it needing a ‘MSV lift’ tbh.

andrewcliffe

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Thursday 12th January 2017
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Certainly the existing team deserve credit for the recovery of Donington from the failed F1 hotchpotch.

RobM77

35,349 posts

234 months

Thursday 12th January 2017
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I agree, Donny always seems like a good circuit with good space, facilities and well run too. MSV have indeed smartened up a lot of the circuits they've bought and they seem like a good company. Provided we can still test at Donny with an emphasis on open pit days then I'm happy. smile

andrewcliffe

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Thursday 12th January 2017
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Interesting to hear of other peoples perceptions.

I was thinking/hoping that Donington would change from their current open pit lane system for testing to the more normal session based system as it allows a lot more people to test. Unless you're very quick, Donington test days get booked up early, and thats due to the nature of their testing policy.



RobM77

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Thursday 12th January 2017
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andrewcliffe said:
Interesting to hear of other peoples perceptions.

I was thinking/hoping that Donington would change from their current open pit lane system for testing to the more normal session based system as it allows a lot more people to test. Unless you're very quick, Donington test days get booked up early, and thats due to the nature of their testing policy.
Yes, that is a downside, as is mixing slicks and wings with saloons, which is inevitable with open pit. The trouble I find with the usual 4 x ~30 mins format at most circuits is that it's unsuitable for making any changes to a car in a scientific manner, because 30 minutes isn't long enough to do some laps and then alter anything on the car, so you're limited to an initial run in session 1 to get up to speed and then two or three individual changes for the whole day and that's it. I guess it depends what you're doing - I normally just get a setup and stick to it, so test days for me are about practising and getting faster, but if you're forced into making setup changes by regulations, as I am in my latest foray back into motorsport, I like to do it properly and find 4x30 very restrictive.

vjay48

191 posts

159 months

Thursday 12th January 2017
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Prior to MSV the circuits were run down, I can remember dreadful toilets/food etc. We race in a championship which has some rounds on the Msv club portfolio these rounds are £50-£60 cheaper than a major club. The grass is always cut,whats not to like. Don't forget its a business!

BertBert

19,024 posts

211 months

Thursday 12th January 2017
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I agree with Rob and find 4x30 mins a bit irksome. For setup, 30 mins is just not good it's really hard to make a change before the session, go out to assess the results and make another change in the session. Maybe 20 mins is a better session time.

But on the whole, I think the change to MSV will be good. Just make sure to keep off the grass!

Bert

andy97

4,702 posts

222 months

Thursday 12th January 2017
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MSVR have done a fantastic job of improving the facilities at their circuits and I have no doubt that they will improve Donington, but I do have concerns over their near monopoly of the "major" circuits in the UK.

I assume this means that their bid to run Silverstone is now dead?

ISTR that when they tried to get the lease to run Donington previously they said they would sell Cadwell - I wonder if that is part of their plans this time, and who would buy it????

egor110

16,849 posts

203 months

Thursday 12th January 2017
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Msv will get the spectator facilities and camping up to scratch at Donington.

Big announcement tomorrow , possibly moto gp switching from silverstone to donington .

andrewcliffe

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954 posts

224 months

Thursday 12th January 2017
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Am not sure who would buy Cadwell Park - its more suited to bikes than cars really.

There was talk a couple of years ago about developing Cadwell into a circuit that could attract a professional car series, but my view, which hasn't changed is that would be to spoil Cadwell, unless the historic section from the mountain through to barn was kept as is, as a separate historic / club loop, with new bits at the other end of the circuit. I've not heard any more plans on that idea recently.


vjay48

191 posts

159 months

Thursday 12th January 2017
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Did a meeting last season at cadwell,suprised at the number of spectators,i think its a better view than Snetterton,drivers I talk to have mixed views of snett. We are racing on the 200 circuit this year,i am sure that cadwell is viable,lots of track days,its only the location that's a bit of a pain,the rests ok.

BertBert

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211 months

Thursday 12th January 2017
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I think Cadwell is superb for cars! Best fun ever. I'd be amazed if MSV sold it.
Snett 200 is a much poorer circuit than the 300. Love the 300. 200 a bit meh!

Bert

majordad

3,600 posts

197 months

Thursday 12th January 2017
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I prefer the Snett 200 to the 300.

BertBert

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211 months

Thursday 12th January 2017
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That's interesting, I like the 'infield' section. Do you not like it?
majordad said:
I prefer the Snett 200 to the 300.

wildman0609

885 posts

176 months

Friday 13th January 2017
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andy97 said:
MSVR have done a fantastic job of improving the facilities at their circuits and I have no doubt that they will improve Donington, but I do have concerns over their near monopoly of the "major" circuits in the UK.
Its concerning that they control nearly all the UK circuits. It can only mean higher circuit hire fee's and therefore higher entry fee's. I know clubs have to negotiate with MVS currently and part of getting a really good weekend on brands GP for example, they'll have to take in return a poorer weekend at Snett or Oulton. This only makes their position stronger, and I hope this doesn't have an impact on club racing dates and costs.

I can't argue with the fact that the MSV owned circuits have been turned around completely in their time, and always look great.

coppice

8,594 posts

144 months

Friday 13th January 2017
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Cadwell was transformed by MSV , having become very shabby before the takeover. It looks glorious now and for me is comfortably the best circuit in the UK. Yes . parts are tight , but that didn't stop it holding F3 meetings until '82 , when Senna crashed hugely . Nowhere better to watch HSCC FF1600 and much else besides .

MyVTECGoesBwaaah

820 posts

142 months

Friday 13th January 2017
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I was all excited for their announcement at 10:00 today, thinking it would be something massive. Just checked their Twitter and it seems that Little Mix are performing in July.

Wow laugh

andye30m3

3,452 posts

254 months

Friday 13th January 2017
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wildman0609 said:
Its concerning that they control nearly all the UK circuits. It can only mean higher circuit hire fee's and therefore higher entry fee's. I know clubs have to negotiate with MVS currently and part of getting a really good weekend on brands GP for example, they'll have to take in return a poorer weekend at Snett or Oulton. This only makes their position stronger, and I hope this doesn't have an impact on club racing dates and costs.

I can't argue with the fact that the MSV owned circuits have been turned around completely in their time, and always look great.
That's pretty much my thinking.

MSV seam to have done a fantastic jobs of improving the circuits they run (although I have very little knowledge of the pre MSV)

But part of me thinks as a competitor with a limited budget that one company owning to many of the UK's circuit could result in higher entry fees, really hope this doesn't happen as i already spend more than I should.

Thurbs

2,780 posts

222 months

Friday 13th January 2017
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BertBert said:
That's interesting, I like the 'infield' section. Do you not like it?
majordad said:
I prefer the Snett 200 to the 300.
I agree with Bert. Much better for overtaking, mix of slow and fast corners + entry in to Brundel is much faster.