Donington Park

[majordad]

ON reflection, I was wrong . 300 is better than 200. It was the Christmas Fog and not racing there last year.

Sorry !

[Munter]

andye30m3 said:

wildman0609 said:

Its concerning that they control nearly all the UK circuits. It can only mean higher circuit hire fee's and therefore higher entry fee's. I know clubs have to negotiate with MVS currently and part of getting a really good weekend on brands GP for example, they'll have to take in return a poorer weekend at Snett or Oulton. This only makes their position stronger, and I hope this doesn't have an impact on club racing dates and costs.

I can't argue with the fact that the MSV owned circuits have been turned around completely in their time, and always look great.

That's pretty much my thinking.

MSV seam to have done a fantastic jobs of improving the circuits they run (although I have very little knowledge of the pre MSV)

But part of me thinks as a competitor with a limited budget that one company owning to many of the UK's circuit could result in higher entry fees, really hope this doesn't happen as i already spend more than I should.

I don't race. But I do like Donington as my local circuit. I'm similarly torn. I liked Donington going it alone and restoring it's place after what happened. But MSV have improved other places hugely. However, MSV have a lot of circuits now and that's a worry when there is a dominant force in anything.

We'll have to wait and see. But when I heard it'd been sold I was worried it would vanish. When I heard it was MSV buying I knew it'd stay.

(Are MSV going to lose Bedford due to nimby action. So they could in effect be replacing that site...?)

[Drumroll]

MSV have joined up with a developer to turn Bedford Autodome into a village. Not sure I really want MSV taking on another track. The circuit hire fees are already high.

[anonymous-user]

andye30m3 said:

But part of me thinks as a competitor with a limited budget that one company owning to many of the UK's circuit could result in higher entry fees, really hope this doesn't happen as i already spend more than I should.

It almost certainly will result in increased fees. Someone's got to pay and there aren't enough spectators to cover it.

[NJH]

I thought circuit hire fees were completely isolated from gate revenue? i.e. if you hire the track you don't get to benefit from gate revenues you just have to pay the hire fees regardless, everything else goes to the circuit owners.

[andy97]

Drumroll said:

MSV have joined up with a developer to turn Bedford Autodome into a village.

Any references to this please?

[djroadboy]

http://www.thurleighairfieldbusinesspark.co.uk/dow...

HTH

Dan

[andy97]

Thanks, interesting stuff and good info in there. I hadn't realised that Bedford was owned by St Modwen.

[vjay48]

I don't see why people see that the first thing that will happen its entry fees will rise,as I said earlier we race in a championship that buys in its grid,the msvr races are £50 cheaper than the big club we run with.The circuits were dreadful before the takeover, Snett. was threatened with closure due to a Foulston family issue,buildings were pulled down,toilets stank etc. Don't forget Msv runs super bikes etc. club racing is not its only profit stream. Perhaps Kevin can buy Hitlers karsi now!!!!

[anonymous-user]

vjay48 said:

I don't see why people see that the first thing that will happen its entry fees will rise,as I said earlier we race in a championship that buys in its grid,the msvr races are £50 cheaper than the big club we run with.The circuits were dreadful before the takeover, Snett. was threatened with closure due to a Foulston family issue,buildings were pulled down,toilets stank etc. Don't forget Msv runs super bikes etc. club racing is not its only profit stream. Perhaps Kevin can buy Hitlers karsi now!!!!

We ran in an MSVR series in 11/12/13. Every year, despite very low inflation we were hand significant entry fee increases each year. I see that continues to increase with minimum entry fee of £435 for 2 or 3 race weekends up to £540 at Silverstone. That's £435 at least for 1 hr 20 min maximum traffic time.

I remember in 2013, which saw the number of entries fall very significantly, a meeting was called to find out why. General consensus was that it was too expensive to race in the series but MSVR literally told us that wasn't right, it must be something else. Whatever, the entry level hasn't recovered.

I don't disagree with a lot of what you say; the circuits are much better but it does all have to be paid for and that, to a significant extent has come from the competitors. I don't see why Donington will be any different.

[vjay48]

I find the very negative attitude to JP and MSV odd,i am sure he does little to offend most people who post on this site,pre his involvement the Foulston regime would have sold anything that they could,not even arsed to keep toilets clean. If situation had carried on we would have left been with poor circuits and facilities. I have found that dealing with MSVR a great improvement on one well known club. I think a fact that successful/profitable business do tend to exsist long term,I don't think that KW has much interest in the Ciccuit

[coppice]

It's the English disease;there is just so much to dislike about JP-

He is guilty of running a successful business which saved most UK race circuits from oblivion

Damn him, he's well enough off to support his kids racing - that's never happened before has it ?

He has a bloody helicopter, the bd- how dare he ? Surely he should use public transport to get round his circuits ?

Some random bloke off the internet swears blind that JP once looked at him in a funny way

He was good enough to race in Grands Prix but ,unlike nearly every other F1 driver, was able to admit his teammate was better than he was

All this , and the idiot only managed to qualify as doctor too .


Loser...

[Sigmamark7]

coppice said:

It's the English disease;there is just so much to dislike about JP-

He is guilty of running a successful business which saved most UK race circuits from oblivion

Damn him, he's well enough off to support his kids racing - that's never happened before has it ?

He has a bloody helicopter, the bd- how dare he ? Surely he should use public transport to get round his circuits ?

Some random bloke off the internet swears blind that JP once looked at him in a funny way

He was good enough to race in Grands Prix but ,unlike nearly every other F1 driver, was able to admit his teammate was better than he was

All this , and the idiot only managed to qualify as doctor too .




Loser...

You forgot to mention how expensive a day at Palmersport is!
Driving beautifully maintained cars on excellent circuits, with proper encouragement from some great instructors and all for a price which is far less than most club racers spend on a single race day.
Damn him again, because you also get decent food and refreshments thrown in as well!!

He deserves to be hated for being so successful.

[Drumroll]

I am certainly not saying anything against JP, he has done a lot for the circuits he owns. That has to be balanced by the need to have a bit of "competition" in the marketplace though.

[andy97]

I am not against anything that JP has done at his circuits, the improvements have been very impressive, but i do not think it right that one organisation has control over so many of the "main circuits".

[Munter]

Got to say. I think most people on the thread said JP was doing a great job with his circuits. People have a concern about a marketplace with 1 big player. Doesn't mean JP is a wrongun.

I suspect coppice, you've got the wrong end of the stick.

[RobM77]

I think that we'd all like to see competition in the market, that's always a good thing. However, in my memory at least, if we ever do have competition in this particular industry they don't seem to run things as well as JP does.

[coppice]

Munter said:

Got to say. I think most people on the thread said JP was doing a great job with his circuits. People have a concern about a marketplace with 1 big player. Doesn't mean JP is a wrongun.

I suspect coppice, you've got the wrong end of the stick.

Err ..I was being ironic - I certainly do not think JP is a wrongun- far from it.

[tapkaJohnD]

coppice said:

It's the English disease;there is just so much to dislike about JP-

He is guilty of running a successful business which saved most UK race circuits from oblivion

Damn him, he's well enough off to support his kids racing - that's never happened before has it ?

He has a bloody helicopter, the bd- how dare he ? Surely he should use public transport to get round his circuits ?

Some random bloke off the internet swears blind that JP once looked at him in a funny way

He was good enough to race in Grands Prix but ,unlike nearly every other F1 driver, was able to admit his teammate was better than he was

All this , and the idiot only managed to qualify as doctor too .


Loser...

Clapping smiley! Hear, Hear!
John

[Munter]

coppice said:

Munter said:

Got to say. I think most people on the thread said JP was doing a great job with his circuits. People have a concern about a marketplace with 1 big player. Doesn't mean JP is a wrongun.

I suspect coppice, you've got the wrong end of the stick.

Err ..I was being ironic - I certainly do not think JP is a wrongun- far from it.

Again. You've grasped the wrong end of the stick. Nobody is suggesting it. You are suggesting others are suggesting it, when they are not. I suspect everybody on this thread thinks JP has generally done well with the circuits he's running, and is basically happy for the guy. Just some worry about a dominant force in a small market, and hope that JP will do the right thing.

But you're reading something else apparently and trying to be "ironic".