Discussion
Bluebottle said:
I see it in the same way as the current Qualifying format for Formula 1 which seems to be very popular...And I don't have to bend my p&j bumping wheels with another racer who has a bigger budget than me to rebuild his car after each race, so is going to be that bit more brave(wreckless) than I am willing to be.
I could go buy a shopping trolley and go tin top racing very cheaply, but once you've done a few circuits with 450bhp/ton they really don't do it for me.
As said most club racing there is no bumping of wheels, not sure why you don't join the TVR challenge. yes last year there was some accidents but they was not due to bumping of wheels, and could have happened in TIMEATTACK.I could go buy a shopping trolley and go tin top racing very cheaply, but once you've done a few circuits with 450bhp/ton they really don't do it for me.
I'm sure you could do an invitation race to see if you like it, as long as your car conforms to the Bluebook, and you have a race licence. (I'm sure you would need these for TIMEATTACK also), best speak to John Reed if your interested.
You know what puts me off this sport as a concept? It's not the silly power / lots of driver aid cars winning, nor the fact it's named after a stage in project gotham racing (which is a bad, bad game). It's not even that the people promoting it as a highly skilled sport show a video of a bloke all over the shop, off the track on most corners (unless I've missed somthing, this must be costing a lot of time over the lap, if you comare to every other race series).
What I can't get is the fact that it's not Time Attack, but TIMEATTACK. like IT'S SO FKIN AWESOME WVERYTHING HAS TO BE IN CAPS. PREFERABLY IN 16 POINT TYPE, AND BOLD. ITS LIKE THE SERIES ORGINISERS ARE SELLING A 1.1 NOVA, BUT IT'S GOT A 1.4 IN IT SO THE INSURANCE IS CHEAP
IMO, if people could look past he slightly chavvy image, they'd see a pretty impressive display of 600+ horse cars being driven very hard by decent drivers. Add to that some interesting cars (there's a cool elise running about 300 horse short of the big jap barges, but they lap similar it seems), and in reality TIMEATTACK is no doubt a great thing to be involved with =)
What I can't get is the fact that it's not Time Attack, but TIMEATTACK. like IT'S SO FKIN AWESOME WVERYTHING HAS TO BE IN CAPS. PREFERABLY IN 16 POINT TYPE, AND BOLD. ITS LIKE THE SERIES ORGINISERS ARE SELLING A 1.1 NOVA, BUT IT'S GOT A 1.4 IN IT SO THE INSURANCE IS CHEAP
IMO, if people could look past he slightly chavvy image, they'd see a pretty impressive display of 600+ horse cars being driven very hard by decent drivers. Add to that some interesting cars (there's a cool elise running about 300 horse short of the big jap barges, but they lap similar it seems), and in reality TIMEATTACK is no doubt a great thing to be involved with =)
I'll be at Brands Hatch on Sunday with the Mini guys, should be a good day out!
Went up to Knockhill for the previous round, there's some bloody epic cars involved. Some of the cars looked unbelievably fast!
Where else can you see a 600 bhp Exige hooning around against silly power Evo's? Or road going Mini's tussling with ex BTCC Civic's?
Comparing it to a track day is completely ridiculous, go watch a round and you'll see.
Went up to Knockhill for the previous round, there's some bloody epic cars involved. Some of the cars looked unbelievably fast!
Where else can you see a 600 bhp Exige hooning around against silly power Evo's? Or road going Mini's tussling with ex BTCC Civic's?
Comparing it to a track day is completely ridiculous, go watch a round and you'll see.
Edited by hyperblue on Friday 25th June 12:26
FLOODED said:
You've got to remember aswell that a race weekend is 3 to 4 days. Also I want to keep my car on the road. I want to fight the circuits and get my lap times down. You can't do that racing wheel to wheel
most club race meetings are 1 day.. plenty of racers are still road legal.Atomic Gibbon said:
It's not even that the people promoting it as a highly skilled sport show a video of a bloke all over the shop, off the track on most corners (unless I've missed somthing, this must be costing a lot of time over the lap, if you comare to every other race series).
You must admit, a promo video of someone inch perfect wouldn't have the same impact, that one for instance was shown at Autosport and got a fair old crowd.If you want an idea of lap times, here's the quickest from the first two rounds this year.
Oulton (Island)
Time Set Record held by Set in
Pro 01:25.355 Steve Guglielmi – Lotus Elise Rd1 – 2010
Knockhill Time Set Record held by Set in
Pro 00:51.611 Gareth Llyod – CPR – Evo 5 Rd2 – 2010
jellison said:
dougc said:
jellison said:
Grow some Balls and Race. Anyone can drive a Big power TVR on the road or trackday.
Time Attack = Pointless.
Racing is what it ia all about Fighting for position on a track - Time attack is barely better than this dicking out on Track day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_GtDHX2dyw&tra...
That is now my new favourite Youtube video.Time Attack = Pointless.
Racing is what it ia all about Fighting for position on a track - Time attack is barely better than this dicking out on Track day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_GtDHX2dyw&tra...
Edited by jellison on Wednesday 23 June 09:57
I know its probably a backmarker but one each side of the 911 at about 2:50 is brilliant...
Try to find the one from the Corvette Grandsport from last year (basically a dragster trying to race - 200bhp up on the other top cars but almost too much power - they are trying to have it excluded as more of a prototype class really - but a total Giggle!
These think are <950 kg with 430+bhp very low grip ZZ (wide but low grip historics) tyres and Rubbish brakes.
Spa6 is the NUTS - Oh to be able to do it in a big power car (or any car!).
Time attack is not my personal cup of tea, but there is a market for it, and it's very well organised and promoted (something other clubs could learn from)
As it stands, it's probably one of the only places where there is (almost) total freedom on tech regs, this makes it a big attraction for 'tuneing' companies to demonstrate their wares.
It's not racing, it's not supposed to be, it's more akin to single lap qualifing, and it;s very much a separate skill for a driver.
Scuffers said:
As it stands, it's probably one of the only places where there is (almost) total freedom on tech regs, this makes it a big attraction for 'tuneing' companies to demonstrate their wares.
Spot on with the comment, Cosworth have chosen this Sundays event to launch the Cosworth Impreza STi CS400.Startline Al said:
If you want an idea of lap times, here's the quickest from the first two rounds this year.
Oulton (Island)
Time Set Record held by Set in
Pro 01:25.355 Steve Guglielmi – Lotus Elise Rd1 – 2010
Knockhill Time Set Record held by Set in
Pro 00:51.611 Gareth Llyod – CPR – Evo 5 Rd2 – 2010
As you know, you have your target market, you're suceeding at hitting it. Fair play to you and the other orginisers. I hope my above post came accross as it was intended - that IMO, despite the "max power driving sideways" promo material, I think the men and machines are very impressive. I'd be more than happy to sit and watch TA as part of a more varied day of racing. =)
Thanks for the comments, it was looking to be a difficult year what with the recession, but the guys who own/organise the series (I'm not one of them) really do know how to present it, to give you an example, at Brands there are approx 70 TA cars entered in all classes, to support them there are the Drift cars (which have been severely cut back in numbers from previous years), Sumo are there with a Demo using both their GT1's, race trucks, drag stuff, and the list goes on.
The thing is when TA first started over here people didn't get it. The format used to be out on track one at a time, which some drivers enjoyed, some didn't, but the paying public certainly didn't, so it was changed and all the cars (in the same class) are now on circuit together. The drivers now have to work a lot harder at getting a clean lap, they also enjoy the cut and thrust of it all, we run an open pit lane during the sessions so they are constantly in and out making adjustments and get to understand how the cars work.
A few of the top cars are driven by hired guns and that then brings along the other drivers as everyone tries to up their game.
The tuners/sponsors are happy as the crowds now at The Modified Live events are getting bigger every year and who doesn't enjoy driving in front of thousands of spectators.
Another important thing is the organisers listen to the drivers and where possible act on what is said, the regs are about as free as you could get and the drivers/teams/sponsors all seem to get a good buzz out of it.
Sorry, waffled on a bit there.....but that's me!
The thing is when TA first started over here people didn't get it. The format used to be out on track one at a time, which some drivers enjoyed, some didn't, but the paying public certainly didn't, so it was changed and all the cars (in the same class) are now on circuit together. The drivers now have to work a lot harder at getting a clean lap, they also enjoy the cut and thrust of it all, we run an open pit lane during the sessions so they are constantly in and out making adjustments and get to understand how the cars work.
A few of the top cars are driven by hired guns and that then brings along the other drivers as everyone tries to up their game.
The tuners/sponsors are happy as the crowds now at The Modified Live events are getting bigger every year and who doesn't enjoy driving in front of thousands of spectators.
Another important thing is the organisers listen to the drivers and where possible act on what is said, the regs are about as free as you could get and the drivers/teams/sponsors all seem to get a good buzz out of it.
Sorry, waffled on a bit there.....but that's me!
Graham said:
FLOODED said:
You've got to remember aswell that a race weekend is 3 to 4 days. Also I want to keep my car on the road. I want to fight the circuits and get my lap times down. You can't do that racing wheel to wheel
most club race meetings are 1 day.. plenty of racers are still road legal.For many a race weekend includes (necessarily) a test day as you may remember from you eraly days.
Some events are 2 day and there is travelling included. I've done 2 race weekends this year with testing, left home Thursday early afternoon, arrived back Monday - both billed initialy as two day events that ended up as Sunday only racing and so a pretty much a wasted Saturday..
That said, and to bring some balance - next meeting (Mallory) I could do everything in the same day.
TVR_owner said:
Graham,
For many a race weekend includes (necessarily) a test day as you may remember from you eraly days.
Yeah but to be fair though a test day is optional so not a required part of the race weekend. You could get the same test day issue with the timeattack..For many a race weekend includes (necessarily) a test day as you may remember from you eraly days.
Just wish i could afford the luxury of some test days
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