Discussion
Graham said:
TVR_owner said:
Graham,
For many a race weekend includes (necessarily) a test day as you may remember from you eraly days.
Yeah but to be fair though a test day is optional so not a required part of the race weekend. You could get the same test day issue with the timeattack..For many a race weekend includes (necessarily) a test day as you may remember from you eraly days.
Just wish i could afford the luxury of some test days
I might remember how to driver properlysomething you seem to have managed!!
yes, the image can be seen as chavvy, but if you put that aside (mostly from days gone by in my opinion), the parallels with some of the now historic classes we all raved over such as Modsports and silhouttes are there. Take the raod performnace cars of the day and tune them with bulges, arches and spoliers/wings until the look like they are on steriods and increase power outputs to ludicrous levels, Baby/Big Bertha, Stevens Carlton, Rod Birleys Prelude, the raft of Anglias, Escorts etc with V8s plonked in them, the mad DAF V8 and Beetle F5000 all spring to mind. The cars have evolved, but the ethos is very similar. Ff the great Gerry Marshall were still around, id bet he'd like a crack at a 4wd 850hp monster? who wouldnt pay to have watched that?
The 'race vs qually type' format will run and run, attitude on both sides will always prevail as both camps consider themselves to be right.
the top level cars of Gugliemi (proper TVR/Lotus racer of note), Olly Clark (son of Roger) and the top tuners who have their cars peddalled by up and comping F3/palmeraudi et al drivers can hardly be considered as less worthy than those who race surely?
ive no axe to grind, but i think its great to see swelling grids and interest in an area of motorsport when many other series which some snobbsihly consider 'real' motorsport, are folding and havent got a pot to pi55 in. Its a type of motorsport lead by a market and fans, rather than racers or the MSA (although theyve seen the benefits of late and endorsed it). Seems teh promoters do a great job and get great gate attendance that shames most UK motorsport, must be doing summat right...
The 'race vs qually type' format will run and run, attitude on both sides will always prevail as both camps consider themselves to be right.
the top level cars of Gugliemi (proper TVR/Lotus racer of note), Olly Clark (son of Roger) and the top tuners who have their cars peddalled by up and comping F3/palmeraudi et al drivers can hardly be considered as less worthy than those who race surely?
ive no axe to grind, but i think its great to see swelling grids and interest in an area of motorsport when many other series which some snobbsihly consider 'real' motorsport, are folding and havent got a pot to pi55 in. Its a type of motorsport lead by a market and fans, rather than racers or the MSA (although theyve seen the benefits of late and endorsed it). Seems teh promoters do a great job and get great gate attendance that shames most UK motorsport, must be doing summat right...
CNHSS1 said:
yes, the image can be seen as chavvy, but if you put that aside (mostly from days gone by in my opinion), the parallels with some of the now historic classes we all raved over such as Modsports and silhouttes are there. Take the raod performnace cars of the day and tune them with bulges, arches and spoliers/wings until the look like they are on steriods and increase power outputs to ludicrous levels, Baby/Big Bertha, Stevens Carlton, Rod Birleys Prelude, the raft of Anglias, Escorts etc with V8s plonked in them, the mad DAF V8 and Beetle F5000 all spring to mind. The cars have evolved, but the ethos is very similar. Ff the great Gerry Marshall were still around, id bet he'd like a crack at a 4wd 850hp monster? who wouldnt pay to have watched that?
yes but in the days o the cars above they raced each other not the clock. i would love to see the time attack cars in a proper race series not a posh sprint marshal_alan said:
CNHSS1 said:
yes, the image can be seen as chavvy, but if you put that aside (mostly from days gone by in my opinion), the parallels with some of the now historic classes we all raved over such as Modsports and silhouttes are there. Take the raod performnace cars of the day and tune them with bulges, arches and spoliers/wings until the look like they are on steriods and increase power outputs to ludicrous levels, Baby/Big Bertha, Stevens Carlton, Rod Birleys Prelude, the raft of Anglias, Escorts etc with V8s plonked in them, the mad DAF V8 and Beetle F5000 all spring to mind. The cars have evolved, but the ethos is very similar. Ff the great Gerry Marshall were still around, id bet he'd like a crack at a 4wd 850hp monster? who wouldnt pay to have watched that?
yes but in the days o the cars above they raced each other not the clock. i would love to see the time attack cars in a proper race series not a posh sprint CNHSS1 said:
The 'race vs qually type' format will run and run, attitude on both sides will always prevail as both camps consider themselves to be right.
i notice nobody re-quoted or took notice of this bit 
my only gripe with the differing standpoints is the snobbish element. If we are going to look back to days gone by as the halcyon days, the greats such as Stirling Moss, Jim Clark and Gerry Marshall drove all sorts of cars in all sorts of events, sprints, autotests, hillclimbs, rallies, regularities, F3, F2 and F1. Seems some modern day clubmen are above variety and are blinkered that their way is best. Didnt realise there were so many politicians on here
CNHSS1 said:
yes, the image can be seen as chavvy, but if you put that aside (mostly from days gone by in my opinion), the parallels with some of the now historic classes we all raved over such as Modsports and silhouttes are there. Take the raod performnace cars of the day and tune them with bulges, arches and spoliers/wings until the look like they are on steriods and increase power outputs to ludicrous levels, Baby/Big Bertha, Stevens Carlton, Rod Birleys Prelude, the raft of Anglias, Escorts etc with V8s plonked in them, the mad DAF V8 and Beetle F5000 all spring to mind. The cars have evolved, but the ethos is very similar. Ff the great Gerry Marshall were still around, id bet he'd like a crack at a 4wd 850hp monster? who wouldnt pay to have watched that?
Indeed, the Pro class cars are really quite reminiscent of some of the older special saloon-type cars. This thing was particularly bonkers:
Lots of very nice bits of kit there:
All beaten by this
And the other Lotus class-winner:
I've got a few more pics on flickr.
CNHSS1 said:
CNHSS1 said:
The 'race vs qually type' format will run and run, attitude on both sides will always prevail as both camps consider themselves to be right.
i notice nobody re-quoted or took notice of this bit my only gripe with the differing standpoints is the snobbish element. If we are going to look back to days gone by as the halcyon days, the greats such as Stirling Moss, Jim Clark and Gerry Marshall drove all sorts of cars in all sorts of events, sprints, autotests, hillclimbs, rallies, regularities, F3, F2 and F1. Seems some modern day clubmen are above variety and are blinkered that their way is best. Didnt realise there were so many politicians on here
I can appreciate the skill involved in nailing the perfect lap and the challenge that it presents. For me though racing is more than just the perfect lap, its lining someone up for the overtake, defending from behind, working through traffic and using it to your advantage, managing the tyres over a full race distance etc.. The big power turbo TT cars look like a handfull, but from what i've seen that kind of car often struggles in a full race distance with power drop off.
I really like the cut and thrust of sprint racing.
Interestingly I enjoy not going for a championship.. been there won that, had all the stress that goes with it.. these days I just want to beat the cars in front, what ever class they are :-)
The real issue for the traditional racing crew is to make it as attractive to the punters and TT and drifting.. maybe the first thing would be some promotion <LOL>
Holy Crap - some of those Jap cars just look like my Garden SHED. Terrible. Chavtastic.
May I recomend http://www.barryboys.co.uk/mx/ to devotee's of this slant to the "Sport"!
Loti show how to do it.
May I recomend http://www.barryboys.co.uk/mx/ to devotee's of this slant to the "Sport"!
Loti show how to do it.
jellison said:
Holy Crap - some of those Jap cars just look like my Garden SHED. Terrible. Chavtastic.
May I recomend http://www.barryboys.co.uk/mx/ to devotee's of this slant to the "Sport"!
Loti show how to do it.
unfortunately, starting to hear rumours that we will not be welcome for much longer.... May I recomend http://www.barryboys.co.uk/mx/ to devotee's of this slant to the "Sport"!
Loti show how to do it.
Scuffers said:
jellison said:
Holy Crap - some of those Jap cars just look like my Garden SHED. Terrible. Chavtastic.
May I recomend http://www.barryboys.co.uk/mx/ to devotee's of this slant to the "Sport"!
Loti show how to do it.
unfortunately, starting to hear rumours that we will not be welcome for much longer.... May I recomend http://www.barryboys.co.uk/mx/ to devotee's of this slant to the "Sport"!
Loti show how to do it.
te according to the founder of the English Time Attack series and he gave me his word. Now, have you got that f**k off great turbo sorted for my car yet???Edited by jamwill79 on Tuesday 6th July 17:16
jamwill79 said:
Checked up on this Simon, as I also heard a few rumours and was getting a little worried. Anyway, it turns out to be complete ste according to the founder of the English Time Attack series and he gave me his word. Now, have you got that f**k off great turbo sorted for my car yet???
Yep, spoke to Glen yesterday and he confirmed that it was not true.te according to the founder of the English Time Attack series and he gave me his word. Now, have you got that f**k off great turbo sorted for my car yet???Edited by jamwill79 on Tuesday 6th July 17:16
Strange how rumours get around, if in doubt just speak to them.
Scuffers said:
jellison said:
Whooa nice Exige - "Race" it.
give him a chance!this is the first competitive thing he has done with a car.
Remember too, this is very much a road car, setup for trackdays etc.
jellison said:
It is an Exige - they are virtually full race cars anyway - if it has further mods he needs to find that Lotus series that allows lots of mod like Honds lumps and blowers and race - get and ARD, race it as it is for a year or so and then go to the top class with the Honda Turbo - don't Dick about.
err... not quite (unless you believe Lotus marketing!)yes, they can made decent race cars, but it's certainly not just a case of slapping in more power and job done.
That said, once done that can be very effective, I have a customer in Britcar with an Elise that's capable of 1:08's round snett in race trim.
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