The 2011 Honda VTEC Challenge
Discussion
emicen said:
I'm talking about a series being formed within the Nippon grid.
I'm perfectly aware of what the OP was talking about and also how pretty unfeasible it is right now to set up a series with nothing behind it. Its not a case of "if you create it, they will come". It needs a breeding ground like Rogue mentioned.
The OP's post seemed a bit too "JDM/VTEC Yo!" quite frankly. Whats the point in a Honda/VTEC series? The reason there are successful Ford or MG series' is because they have classes for cars which have been raced over the years. Fords have XR2s/XR3s/RS1800 etc all of which had their own one make series back in the day. Same for MG ZRs and F/TFs. Now you can group them on the one grid and have multiple classes to bring the costs down. But the structure is there in the first place, like the series I posted above would create, its a 1 make/model series within the bigger Nippon grid keeping costs down.
Agreed, even the Radicals started out as a class within another series until they wee trong enough to survive on their own.I'm perfectly aware of what the OP was talking about and also how pretty unfeasible it is right now to set up a series with nothing behind it. Its not a case of "if you create it, they will come". It needs a breeding ground like Rogue mentioned.
The OP's post seemed a bit too "JDM/VTEC Yo!" quite frankly. Whats the point in a Honda/VTEC series? The reason there are successful Ford or MG series' is because they have classes for cars which have been raced over the years. Fords have XR2s/XR3s/RS1800 etc all of which had their own one make series back in the day. Same for MG ZRs and F/TFs. Now you can group them on the one grid and have multiple classes to bring the costs down. But the structure is there in the first place, like the series I posted above would create, its a 1 make/model series within the bigger Nippon grid keeping costs down.
The VTEC challege should do the same withn Nippon in my view.
MMC Andy said:
it's the clubs like the BARC that say "Yep, come and join us, no problem". They have a responsibility to protect motorsport in this country; but are being mis-managed and probably unaware themselves of what else is racing in the UK.
The clubs don't have a responsibility to "protect" motor sport in the UK - if any organisation has such a responsibility it's the MSA. Why shouldn't a club welcome a new series/championship if they & its protagonists believe that it has a future? Not really mismanagement to seize an opportunity to fill a grid, is it?As for your comment that the clubs are probably "unaware themselves of what else is racing in the UK"; clubs don't exist in isolation - most of the club officials I know have some interest in motor sport.
Clubs must act in their own interests; nobody's going to be the first to break ranks & tell a potential race series to go away as there are already too many series running in the UK.
I'm back, well this thread has been a bit in active. Apologies for not replying sooner. Saturday night travelled to Rockingham for Japfest 2 on Sunday. Was good and getting good feedback from people we talked to. We'll see if that turns into cars on grids or not wont we?Then off to Norwich, High Wycombe, Ipswich and Sunbury for work. Sat waiting to start some upgrade work at 2am when I thought I'd check back on this.
Ah the Civic Cup has been mentioned. Yep, this is a series as part of the Red Dragon race series that also runs the Nippon Challenge. With the backing of Buddy Club in the UK. Looks good, but as has been raised on the Nippon Challenge forum that post does not cover all the ins and out of the series and the terms and conditions. And in my own personal opinion is not aimed at Honda fanatics, just people who have the cash to go racing.
I have followed the Nippon Challenge when Kris joined and also helped to support Mike when he was racing, it all looked promising. Here was a series for Jap cars. It gets promoted at Autosport at the begining of the year. A bit of coverage in a Jap tuner mag (has improved of recent). But as has been pointed out it grew year 1, even better year 2, year 3 it dwindled. Drivers became frustrated. Results were not updated on website, very few people in the Jap community aware of its exsistance and this year if you won a race you stood behind a banner that said "Nippon Challenge 2009". Its not well promoted enough.
There also seems to be a bit of racing snobery here? Dont know people on here or their back grounds, but comments like:
"There's too many race series we need a cull" - its okay, economics will decide what stays and what goes.
"There are already series already out there for people" - yes there are, but there were already mobile phones out there, then apple came along and shook it all up. This series wont do that, would be great if it did. There is a bigger honda community out there.
I dont expect everyone to get it, dont expect everyone to support it. Its just a shame that everyone on here is doom and gloom about two people to provide a race series for vtec Hondas. Oh and just to update the regs, if the Honda had a turbo from the factory it is also eligable. So in theory I could go racing in my Accord i-CDTI if I so choose.
Ah the Civic Cup has been mentioned. Yep, this is a series as part of the Red Dragon race series that also runs the Nippon Challenge. With the backing of Buddy Club in the UK. Looks good, but as has been raised on the Nippon Challenge forum that post does not cover all the ins and out of the series and the terms and conditions. And in my own personal opinion is not aimed at Honda fanatics, just people who have the cash to go racing.
I have followed the Nippon Challenge when Kris joined and also helped to support Mike when he was racing, it all looked promising. Here was a series for Jap cars. It gets promoted at Autosport at the begining of the year. A bit of coverage in a Jap tuner mag (has improved of recent). But as has been pointed out it grew year 1, even better year 2, year 3 it dwindled. Drivers became frustrated. Results were not updated on website, very few people in the Jap community aware of its exsistance and this year if you won a race you stood behind a banner that said "Nippon Challenge 2009". Its not well promoted enough.
There also seems to be a bit of racing snobery here? Dont know people on here or their back grounds, but comments like:
"There's too many race series we need a cull" - its okay, economics will decide what stays and what goes.
"There are already series already out there for people" - yes there are, but there were already mobile phones out there, then apple came along and shook it all up. This series wont do that, would be great if it did. There is a bigger honda community out there.
I dont expect everyone to get it, dont expect everyone to support it. Its just a shame that everyone on here is doom and gloom about two people to provide a race series for vtec Hondas. Oh and just to update the regs, if the Honda had a turbo from the factory it is also eligable. So in theory I could go racing in my Accord i-CDTI if I so choose.
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