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I remember the Ultima Factory said something about Jons car not being practical... Think again 
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i feel we and the factory should use it to our adavantage and praise the Ultima brand and what Jon has done to promote it.
Personally i feel the design of his car is the way forward and if the factory continue to undevelop the car it will reduce in numbers and sales and cars will reduce in value.
It will never be a super 7 and a timeless design as I was once told and what Jon has done is show us the way forward. A kit car can be modified and with thought and effort turned into a modern day looking le mans car with the performance to put most supercar manufactures to shame.
TBH the Ultima doesnt need that many modifcations to be a modern design and im sure Jons bodywork could be developed into being able to fit prebuilt cars too with min costs.
Come Ted and Richard. buy some of his moulds and start mass producing for us please...
Dom
Personally i feel the design of his car is the way forward and if the factory continue to undevelop the car it will reduce in numbers and sales and cars will reduce in value.
It will never be a super 7 and a timeless design as I was once told and what Jon has done is show us the way forward. A kit car can be modified and with thought and effort turned into a modern day looking le mans car with the performance to put most supercar manufactures to shame.
TBH the Ultima doesnt need that many modifcations to be a modern design and im sure Jons bodywork could be developed into being able to fit prebuilt cars too with min costs.
Come Ted and Richard. buy some of his moulds and start mass producing for us please...
Dom
Completely agree, Dom!
While I'm the sort of person who keeps my cars for a long time, I do keep more than an eye out for what I might like to try next. As much as I loved my previous Atom 3, buying another one really wouldn't have given me anything new. The same goes for the Ultima.... I'm thoroughly enjoying the car, but when I decide to sell (whenever that may be), there's currently nothing new about the product that would see my buy another one.
However.... If there was a pushrod suspension setup, revised steering geo, updated interior and modern LMP / Rebellion style bodywork, I'd quite possibly be getting my tools out again..... Unless Caterham do the decent thing and put the SP300R on the road, arrgghh theoretical dilemmas ;-)
While I'm the sort of person who keeps my cars for a long time, I do keep more than an eye out for what I might like to try next. As much as I loved my previous Atom 3, buying another one really wouldn't have given me anything new. The same goes for the Ultima.... I'm thoroughly enjoying the car, but when I decide to sell (whenever that may be), there's currently nothing new about the product that would see my buy another one.
However.... If there was a pushrod suspension setup, revised steering geo, updated interior and modern LMP / Rebellion style bodywork, I'd quite possibly be getting my tools out again..... Unless Caterham do the decent thing and put the SP300R on the road, arrgghh theoretical dilemmas ;-)
Edited by 356Speedster on Thursday 10th April 20:52
forgive me... I am now on my second bottle of wine so I may ramble even more than usual...
urghh, but there is so much wrong with the proportions of the Caterham...
I have a car that was very well known and has all the factory front end styling which I will not ever change as this car was and is "of its time" if you understand what I mean,but it isnt a "modern" car or an actual replica of anything specific.
IMO all Ultima need to do short term is update the front end ,possibly even just the headlight shape/arrangement.... from my experience this is the key area where all those who dont appreciate Ultimas fault the cars styling and for the life of me I just cant understand why there seems so much resistance to even minor changes....but its their business and no one else can know their actual market better than them I suppose.
For future development I do agree however that an update to a rebellion style body wouldnt have an adverse effect on sales.. but how easy it would be to get through IVA I have no idea..
Obviously all just my opnion and many people will and indeed do disagree..
so dont get upset and feel free to ignore my usual drunken piffle...
urghh, but there is so much wrong with the proportions of the Caterham...
I have a car that was very well known and has all the factory front end styling which I will not ever change as this car was and is "of its time" if you understand what I mean,but it isnt a "modern" car or an actual replica of anything specific.
IMO all Ultima need to do short term is update the front end ,possibly even just the headlight shape/arrangement.... from my experience this is the key area where all those who dont appreciate Ultimas fault the cars styling and for the life of me I just cant understand why there seems so much resistance to even minor changes....but its their business and no one else can know their actual market better than them I suppose.
For future development I do agree however that an update to a rebellion style body wouldnt have an adverse effect on sales.. but how easy it would be to get through IVA I have no idea..
Obviously all just my opnion and many people will and indeed do disagree..
so dont get upset and feel free to ignore my usual drunken piffle...
hedgefinder said:
forgive me... I am now on my second bottle of wine so I may ramble even more than usual...
urghh, but there is so much wrong with the proportions of the Caterham...
I have a car that was very well known and has all the factory front end styling which I will not ever change as this car was and is "of its time" if you understand what I mean,but it isnt a "modern" car or an actual replica of anything specific.
IMO all Ultima need to do short term is update the front end ,possibly even just the headlight shape/arrangement.... from my experience this is the key area where all those who dont appreciate Ultimas fault the cars styling and for the life of me I just cant understand why there seems so much resistance to even minor changes....but its their business and no one else can know their actual market better than them I suppose.
For future development I do agree however that an update to a rebellion style body wouldnt have an adverse effect on sales.. but how easy it would be to get through IVA I have no idea..
Obviously all just my opnion and many people will and indeed do disagree..
so dont get upset and feel free to ignore my usual drunken piffle...
Ha, ha, I hope the wine was good ;-)urghh, but there is so much wrong with the proportions of the Caterham...
I have a car that was very well known and has all the factory front end styling which I will not ever change as this car was and is "of its time" if you understand what I mean,but it isnt a "modern" car or an actual replica of anything specific.
IMO all Ultima need to do short term is update the front end ,possibly even just the headlight shape/arrangement.... from my experience this is the key area where all those who dont appreciate Ultimas fault the cars styling and for the life of me I just cant understand why there seems so much resistance to even minor changes....but its their business and no one else can know their actual market better than them I suppose.
For future development I do agree however that an update to a rebellion style body wouldnt have an adverse effect on sales.. but how easy it would be to get through IVA I have no idea..
Obviously all just my opnion and many people will and indeed do disagree..
so dont get upset and feel free to ignore my usual drunken piffle...
I really like the SP300R, I think it's bang-on... better than the recent AeroSeven and 100x better than the Radical SR3SL. I was really excited when it was launched, then gutted when it was later sold as track only
I accept that the R2K if it was put into an IVA as-is may not be a straight pass, but to be fair neither is any Ultima, LOL! Caparo got the T1 on the road, as do Radical with their cars, so I'd really think there's an opportunity to do an LMP1 style Ultima update.
Maybe there's even room in the brand for the much loved "classic" GTR / Can Am and then a sister model for those customers wanting a current era style LM car for the road
Could open up the possibility of wider brand appeal & customer retention for those wanting to stay loyal, but also looking for something a bit differentI may have said this before but the grey cells are disappearing at a rapid rate these days so I will repeat it (or it may be fresh, who knows!).
The Factory sells a hobby in the form of a car you can build. You don't have to build it exactly as the Factory do (although they would like you to). You could always change things yourselves or pay someone else to do it for you.
It is not cheap or easy, but it is possible.
You could build a different chassis with pushrod suspension and have new hubs machined from billet aluminium, central fuel tank behind the seats with a new bulkhead, etc, etc. Then use the Factory body (if they will sell it to you?) and other bits.
You could use the Factory chassis and modify their body or build a new one using all the standard attachment points and recoup your costs by selling one to others.
Anything is possible with enough time, talent, skill and money.
Paul
The Factory sells a hobby in the form of a car you can build. You don't have to build it exactly as the Factory do (although they would like you to). You could always change things yourselves or pay someone else to do it for you.
It is not cheap or easy, but it is possible.
You could build a different chassis with pushrod suspension and have new hubs machined from billet aluminium, central fuel tank behind the seats with a new bulkhead, etc, etc. Then use the Factory body (if they will sell it to you?) and other bits.
You could use the Factory chassis and modify their body or build a new one using all the standard attachment points and recoup your costs by selling one to others.
Anything is possible with enough time, talent, skill and money.
Paul
hedgefinder said:
see,now this is why drink and internet forums dont mix... in my drunked state I instantly pictured the Radical RXC,
NOT the Caterham... so my sincerest apologies..
still.. in open topped form,do you like pink flowered unbuttoned buttoned shirts?
FBLOL!! Even sober, I have to check what I type and that still doesn't help, generally ;-) Given I drive a Can Am, do I need to answer the last question NOT the Caterham... so my sincerest apologies..
still.. in open topped form,do you like pink flowered unbuttoned buttoned shirts?
Paul - Yep, I do agree with your sentiment about making the build your own, which is something as you know I've done... however, my build pushed my skills to the max. I doubt many of us on here could custom build a major update of this type or find the 500K Jon states the R2K cost, so I (we?) can only hope for someone like the good folks of Hinckley to do it for us ;-)
356Speedster said:
FBLOL!! Even sober, I have to check what I type and that still doesn't help, generally ;-) Given I drive a Can Am, do I need to answer the last question
Paul - Yep, I do agree with your sentiment about making the build your own, which is something as you know I've done... however, my build pushed my skills to the max. I doubt many of us on here could custom build a major update of this type or find the 500K Jon states the R2K cost, so I (we?) can only hope for someone like the good folks of Hinckley to do it for us ;-)
as purely a styling exercise it certainly wouldnt be all that expensive if done by yourself,just rather time consuming. It also takes a fair ammount of bottle to start chopping around a car with values still well north of 30k for even the cheapest car.... or just drink plenty of alcohol..Paul - Yep, I do agree with your sentiment about making the build your own, which is something as you know I've done... however, my build pushed my skills to the max. I doubt many of us on here could custom build a major update of this type or find the 500K Jon states the R2K cost, so I (we?) can only hope for someone like the good folks of Hinckley to do it for us ;-)
GTR-TT said:
I remember the Ultima Factory said something about Jons car not being practical... Think again
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Brilliant Youtube vid. Blog: http://jon-olsson.com/?p=15468
Movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPkYb7_rMaA
I'm a Jon Olsson fan! Anything freestyle with a board, skis, surf board, windsurfer and now Ultima GTR, I like!
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