LS Engine install guide
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Fay has everything you need, she'll even make up the pipes if you give her the lengths......this is what I got.
http://www.speedflowshop.co.uk/mih-performance-bil...
http://www.speedflowshop.co.uk/mih-performance-bil...
Interesting stuff guys,and Graham, that sump is definitely shallower than mine so i may look at a dry sump which solves the remote oil filter issue.
If we can talk about the A/C pump for a minute, a new pump comes without the adaptor plate with the two threaded outlets to fit the Ultima hoses on to. Does anyone know a UK supplier that stocks this part?
If we can talk about the A/C pump for a minute, a new pump comes without the adaptor plate with the two threaded outlets to fit the Ultima hoses on to. Does anyone know a UK supplier that stocks this part?
For your AC hose adapter, speak to Auto Bionics, they make a nice alloy one which can be colour coded to suit your tastes 
As for the dry sump.... why?! It's a heap more work and a lot more complexity, thanks to pump placement, tank location, pluming, etc. As you're already struggling for room why make things unnecessarily complex? Seriously, swap the sump pan & move on. If you really don't want to spend 2mins raising the back of the box to swap the stock filter, then a conveniently placed remote filter will be a good solution. My advice.... keep it simple, it'll pay dividends in the future
As for the dry sump.... why?! It's a heap more work and a lot more complexity, thanks to pump placement, tank location, pluming, etc. As you're already struggling for room why make things unnecessarily complex? Seriously, swap the sump pan & move on. If you really don't want to spend 2mins raising the back of the box to swap the stock filter, then a conveniently placed remote filter will be a good solution. My advice.... keep it simple, it'll pay dividends in the future
356Speedster said:
As for the dry sump.... why?! It's a heap more work and a lot more complexity, thanks to pump placement, tank location, pluming, etc. As you're already struggling for room why make things unnecessarily complex? Seriously, swap the sump pan & move on. If you really don't want to spend 2mins raising the back of the box to swap the stock filter, then a conveniently placed remote filter will be a good solution. My advice.... keep it simple, it'll pay dividends in the future
/\/\/\/\/\ - This. The Dry Sump involves a lot more work. Use a take off as pictured & put in a Remote Filter, You may also consider a Cooler with Thermostat too?Wow! there's not much love for a dry sump out there 
So...the decision is made, stick with a regular oil filter and after the first filter change, if i find it a pain i change to a remote one. It will be easy to do and not cost a fortune.
Secondly, thanks for the definitive answer about the A/C adaptor Graham P and 356speedster, Auto Bionics it is and that's probably saved me an hour or two trawling the web trying to find one...Cheers guys.
This is all going in my build blog to hopefully help future builders, so thanks all you guys, i appreciate the help.
So...the decision is made, stick with a regular oil filter and after the first filter change, if i find it a pain i change to a remote one. It will be easy to do and not cost a fortune.
Secondly, thanks for the definitive answer about the A/C adaptor Graham P and 356speedster, Auto Bionics it is and that's probably saved me an hour or two trawling the web trying to find one...Cheers guys.
This is all going in my build blog to hopefully help future builders, so thanks all you guys, i appreciate the help.
I have just discovered from PWP that the engine they have supplied me is for a Chevrolet SS and this has the deeper sump. Be aware if you're going to order an engine in the near future from them as this must be the engine they are now selling. I know this because Ultima have had a few people contact them recently with the very same problem and in the factory's opinion this sump is no good for our application.
PWP have offered me a replacement sump which they keep in stock and they say it is the shallower Camaro spec one which includes a whole load of components that also need changing. It comes in at £350 +vat for all the bits which although that's not bad, it does bump up the crate engine price by a fair bit and you're paying this extra money to effectively make it the same standard engine they used to supply with the shallower sump already fitted.
I have to admit that it is now starting to appear like the American Speed price could be a better deal at the end of the day...it may seem a big difference when you first look at the prices, but with A.S. you're just paying all the money in one shot rather than in dribs and drabs which is what seems to be happening with a PWP one.
This is by no means a dig at PWP as they are extremely helpful and are supplying GM engines at what seems to be remarkably keen prices, but i guess they must be having to order whatever spec of LS3 they can get their hands on to keep the prices low.
PWP have offered me a replacement sump which they keep in stock and they say it is the shallower Camaro spec one which includes a whole load of components that also need changing. It comes in at £350 +vat for all the bits which although that's not bad, it does bump up the crate engine price by a fair bit and you're paying this extra money to effectively make it the same standard engine they used to supply with the shallower sump already fitted.
I have to admit that it is now starting to appear like the American Speed price could be a better deal at the end of the day...it may seem a big difference when you first look at the prices, but with A.S. you're just paying all the money in one shot rather than in dribs and drabs which is what seems to be happening with a PWP one.
This is by no means a dig at PWP as they are extremely helpful and are supplying GM engines at what seems to be remarkably keen prices, but i guess they must be having to order whatever spec of LS3 they can get their hands on to keep the prices low.
Good to hear you've found the answer to the sump issue! It's not entirely unsurprising to hear there are spec changes from GM it'll be interesting to know if this is now the base / only spec of crate LS3 now from The General. If it is, then AmerSpeed will likely have the same issue.
I've just had a look at the parts list / price from AS and compared it to my invoices from 2yrs ago for my motor and even if you do have to pay £350+Vat for a sump change, you're still no where near AS prices, by souring locally. The price shown on the AS website is of course in dollars.... I'm not sure what the shipping to UK cost is, or how the obvious Customs charges will impact, but I'd be surprised if the $19.5K US website price will translate to a clean £12.3K on your doorstep. I'm in no way knocking the AS product, just saying, when it boils down to your final installed bill, for a UK builder, there is a huge difference.
I've just had a look at the parts list / price from AS and compared it to my invoices from 2yrs ago for my motor and even if you do have to pay £350+Vat for a sump change, you're still no where near AS prices, by souring locally. The price shown on the AS website is of course in dollars.... I'm not sure what the shipping to UK cost is, or how the obvious Customs charges will impact, but I'd be surprised if the $19.5K US website price will translate to a clean £12.3K on your doorstep. I'm in no way knocking the AS product, just saying, when it boils down to your final installed bill, for a UK builder, there is a huge difference.
yes at first it seems abig difference, but you have to work it out fully.
The AS LS3 package is the 480hp engine that includes the ancillaries, wiring loom,induction components, all the little extras like the a/c port adapter plate, oil pressure switch mount and the whole thing is test run and broken in using the wiring loom you get and it's mapped to get it through the IVA....Oh! and the sump will be the correct one!
Now if you start adding all those bits up and the time you're going to spend sourcing the parts i bet there will only be a small difference between them.
I work it out that the AS engine is around £11,000 and the PWP for just the engine, ancillaries and ecu is pushing close to £7000.00 plus vat. If you forget that the PWP wiring loom has to be modified which i'm going to do myself (I bought and installed it before anyone told me it was all back to front) i reckon all the other bits and mapping will add a minimum of £1500.00, so you are only talking about saving around £2000 to £2500 if you're lucky and i bet it's even less by the time i've finished the install.
So is it worth the saving? .... I'll let you know when i've bought all the extra bits and pieces i need and successfully got the engine running.
The AS LS3 package is the 480hp engine that includes the ancillaries, wiring loom,induction components, all the little extras like the a/c port adapter plate, oil pressure switch mount and the whole thing is test run and broken in using the wiring loom you get and it's mapped to get it through the IVA....Oh! and the sump will be the correct one!
Now if you start adding all those bits up and the time you're going to spend sourcing the parts i bet there will only be a small difference between them.
I work it out that the AS engine is around £11,000 and the PWP for just the engine, ancillaries and ecu is pushing close to £7000.00 plus vat. If you forget that the PWP wiring loom has to be modified which i'm going to do myself (I bought and installed it before anyone told me it was all back to front) i reckon all the other bits and mapping will add a minimum of £1500.00, so you are only talking about saving around £2000 to £2500 if you're lucky and i bet it's even less by the time i've finished the install.
So is it worth the saving? .... I'll let you know when i've bought all the extra bits and pieces i need and successfully got the engine running.
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