New Evolution 2
Discussion
UltimaFAN said:
3 years waiting time for a turn-key is extremely long. Richard might loose several sales with this situation. It is the risk between scaling up production and keeping an order book fully filled.
It is, I think they could increase production based on that order book but if it means bigger premises and more staff then the pay back for them may not be worth the outlay also there's a point (not that its likely to be reached soon) where production takes the company out of "low" vehicle production.Juno said:
It should have said New Evolution 1020 but my slow internet deleted the other figures Lol
Anyway if its plus VAT as well then i will forget it
Strangly according to that link the new Evolution 1020's 0-150mph time of 8.9seconds is similar to what I can do in my Noble with road tyres!.... the noble might be full carbon bodied but it still weighs over 1000kgs.Anyway if its plus VAT as well then i will forget it
V8Dom said:
why Evolution 2... have i missed another car launch?
not that you can believe everything in that article, after all I make it a 9 second car rather than a 10 second one lol
They really have put the price up massively since I built my Ultima in 2001, madness.... but if they have a full order book for years ahead then clearly they have actually got it right?
Nope - the prices for the factory parts (from 2010) are similar, sometimes cheaper and sometimes more for things like the fancy gear-lever. The chassis is slightly more because it stiffer and FIA compliant.
As you expect the extra cost comes from the engine at $40k + vat + import and £15.5k for the strengthened gt2 RS like gearbox. The exhaust will be significantly more because it definitely needs coating and the engine needs a good expensive fuelling system.
As you expect the extra cost comes from the engine at $40k + vat + import and £15.5k for the strengthened gt2 RS like gearbox. The exhaust will be significantly more because it definitely needs coating and the engine needs a good expensive fuelling system.
Edited by tjlees on Friday 27th May 19:47
Go on - give it a try - you'l be suprised what you can do - the sense of achievement is something I hadn't appreciated until I built mine Well the specs say the Radical RXC's weight is from 935kg so you could say a 700hp Utima Evo would be faster in a drag with a 220hp advantage. Around the track I say it would go to the RXC with the aero advantage but I think there wouldn't be too much in it depending on the track and if the Ultima was on slicks.
The big thing is that the Ultima would be a much better pretend race car than the RXC is a pretend street car. That Quaife gearbox and the high spec motor will need a rebuild every 10,000km when driven as a street car, if you start tracking it often I'm sure that distance will come down. The SR3 needs a gearbox and engine refresh within 30-50 race hours.
The big thing is that the Ultima would be a much better pretend race car than the RXC is a pretend street car. That Quaife gearbox and the high spec motor will need a rebuild every 10,000km when driven as a street car, if you start tracking it often I'm sure that distance will come down. The SR3 needs a gearbox and engine refresh within 30-50 race hours.
Edited by CL GTR on Thursday 2nd June 13:43
Having owned an LS7 Ultima GTR and driven a Radical RXC Twin Turbo in the last 3 weeks I would like to add some more accurate comments on the comparison. The latest RXC has 600hp and mid 500's torque. If the Ultima was set up correctly it would still struggle to post a comparable lap time to an RXC even on slicks. When I drove the RXC at Silverstone GP 2min 16sec laps were set by another RXC on slicks, I timed it and that is an extremely competitive time.
I also drove the RXC on the road and yes it is noisey. The Quaife sequential gearbox has helical gears on the road version but you can still hear it at low speeds and in low gears. Having said that my Ultima's fuel pump was also just as noisey at low speeds and on tick over. The ride of the RXC on the road was very bit as good and comfortable as the Ultima.
On maintenance the engine, which is a 3.6 litre V6 Ford Ecoboost twin turbo out of the Ford Mustang is good for 200,000 miles of road use with normal servicing, the same applies to the gearbox. This would obviously change if the percentage of road to track use changed but that would also apply to the Ultima. The great thing about the Ultima is the low maintenance costs and its the same for the Radical. The 30-50hrs for an engine refresh on a Radical SR3 is on the race car and on the Hyabusa engine. I also had an SR3 on the road around 2005 and the maintenance was just the same as a bike and would be not 30-50hrs engine refresh.
If I was to make one final comment on the comparison it is that the Ultima is old school (not an adverse comment) and the Radical RXC new age. They are both extreme cars both on road and track.
I also drove the RXC on the road and yes it is noisey. The Quaife sequential gearbox has helical gears on the road version but you can still hear it at low speeds and in low gears. Having said that my Ultima's fuel pump was also just as noisey at low speeds and on tick over. The ride of the RXC on the road was very bit as good and comfortable as the Ultima.
On maintenance the engine, which is a 3.6 litre V6 Ford Ecoboost twin turbo out of the Ford Mustang is good for 200,000 miles of road use with normal servicing, the same applies to the gearbox. This would obviously change if the percentage of road to track use changed but that would also apply to the Ultima. The great thing about the Ultima is the low maintenance costs and its the same for the Radical. The 30-50hrs for an engine refresh on a Radical SR3 is on the race car and on the Hyabusa engine. I also had an SR3 on the road around 2005 and the maintenance was just the same as a bike and would be not 30-50hrs engine refresh.
If I was to make one final comment on the comparison it is that the Ultima is old school (not an adverse comment) and the Radical RXC new age. They are both extreme cars both on road and track.
Good post Roj. The RXC is indeed very modern. Anyone that doubts or dismisses a Radical, should go out with a good driver on track in one. Corner speed, a standard Ultima just cannot compare. But that should be expected, as radicals are fairly modern race cars, first and foremost.
Edited to add, have just been on the configurator. Top engine choice on that is 454hp, specced similarly to my GTR (excluding hp) it comes in at £147k.!!
Are you getting an RXC then Roj?
Edited to add, have just been on the configurator. Top engine choice on that is 454hp, specced similarly to my GTR (excluding hp) it comes in at £147k.!!
Are you getting an RXC then Roj?
Edited by deadscoob on Friday 3rd June 06:57
deadscoob said:
Good post Roj. The RXC is indeed very modern. Anyone that doubts or dismisses a Radical, should go out with a good driver on track in one. Corner speed, a standard Ultima just cannot compare. But that should be expected, as radicals are fairly modern race cars, first and foremost.
Edited to add, have just been on the configurator. Top engine choice on that is 454hp, specced similarly to my GTR (excluding hp) it comes in at £147k.!!
Are you getting an RXC then Roj?
+vat ?Edited to add, have just been on the configurator. Top engine choice on that is 454hp, specced similarly to my GTR (excluding hp) it comes in at £147k.!!
Are you getting an RXC then Roj?
The RXC is a proper areoed car and iirc around 900kg downforce and it's corner g is around 2.5g. Basically they were lapping me every three laps - some of that is down to the driving
but nothing else was overtaking me at the time.- and that's really the problem with the Radicals on track imho - they are too fast and you'd be forever hitting traffic with the risk of not hitting a corner with enough speed and therefore lack of downforce equating to a possible kitty litter interface problem
For me if you intend to enter a one make race series and like to occasionally drive on the road , then the radical RXC is good but expensive
If you want a nice split between a road car and track day car that will make mince meat of most hypercars that is relatively cheap, then it's the ultima for me.
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