To the RS owner in Florida who is out losing races on YT...

[TR3B]

You're not just embarrassing yourself dude, you're making us all look bad. I don't care that you did it, I care that you lost. Repeatedly. Please, stop.

[Shinysideup]

TR3B said:

You're not just embarrassing yourself dude, you're making us all look bad. I don't care that you did it, I care that you lost. Repeatedly. Please, stop.

That would be this guy i reckon. https://youtu.be/7WbEk64Vj5k?t=10

He claims in the comment section he had no traction and also doesn't want to ruin his gearbox.

Edit to add the race > https://youtu.be/TaRzepCA54Y?t=1

Edited by Shinysideup on Tuesday 21st December 02:04

[TR3B]

Yup. I totally support what he's doing - but that's the kinda thing you do between friends without involving the internet. In his defense he was doing great right up until he had to change gears.

[TR3B]

Shinysideup said:

That would be this guy i reckon. https://youtu.be/7WbEk64Vj5k?t=10

He claims in the comment section he had no traction and also doesn't want to ruin his gearbox.

Edit to add the race > https://youtu.be/TaRzepCA54Y?t=1

Ouch. That isn't making things better. They're totally valid excuses but again, that's st you keep to yourself.

[wannabe-racer]

To be fair to the chap with the Ultima in Florida, everyone who goes up against the Tesla Plaid loses including a Ferrari SF90 worth many times the Plaid. But those cars are a one trick pony as people say. I would like to see the Ultima around a circuit.

[confusionhunter]

Actually I think the RS did really really well and is a great advert for the brand!
The fact that there wasn't much in it and the Tesla is clearly in its unique selling point with 4WD, AND the RS is running aero probably without even a limited slip diff, imagine you did the reverse and took the Tesla to the RS's home hunting ground round a circuit???
I mean THAT would be embarrassing!

For the RS reducing aero drag and add a double clutch to the RS would make that even steven, what would you have to do to a tesla to make it do what an RS does on the track? Its not technically possible!

Generally looking at the video comments, Id say its not done the image any harm at all.... I mean the RS has got closer to beating the plaid than any other ICE road car!

I thought it was good content, but would plead its not done on the highway and done on a drag strip. Folk have gone to jail for that s#!t.

Edited by confusionhunter on Monday 3rd January 13:24

[xrtim]

Tesla plaid on Nurburgring 7.34, I’d like to see an R/s beat that ( one for the factory me thinks) only seen 2 production cars beat the Tesla in a drag race or rolling, Bugatti Chiron and the Rimac, even the Ken Block Hoonigan car only just beat the Tesla. For a car off the production line with all the tech to seat 4 in comfort and have that sort of repeatable reliable performance is astounding. Well done Tesla. The Tesla Roadster’s release date is this year with decreased 0 to 60 and higher top speed than the Plaid, EV are really looking like the performance future of motoring. The questions got to be when is the Ultima quad motor EV going to make an appearance, times a ticking before ICE are no longer available for sale new.
I’m not an Ultima hater, I’ve been building a twin turbo version for years now, but if your going up against a Plaid on the road your probably going to need 1200hp with all the reliability and heat issues that will bring to get out in front of the Tesla

[Boosted LS1]

What would happen over a 2 lap event or if the plaid had already been driving for an hour perhaps? When I see EV's on the motorway they tend to pootle along behind the slow movers as I suspect they have an eye on charge levels.

If I could I'd hammer them when they're weak and film that :-)

[TR3B]

I have to admit I'm kinda surprised at the comments section. That might be the first time ever that the internet subverted my expectations.

[deadscoob]

xrtim said:

Tesla plaid on Nurburgring 7.34, I’d like to see an R/s beat that ( one for the factory me thinks) only seen 2 production cars beat the Tesla in a drag race or rolling, Bugatti Chiron and the Rimac, even the Ken Block Hoonigan car only just beat the Tesla. For a car off the production line with all the tech to seat 4 in comfort and have that sort of repeatable reliable performance is astounding. Well done Tesla. The Tesla Roadster’s release date is this year with decreased 0 to 60 and higher top speed than the Plaid, EV are really looking like the performance future of motoring. The questions got to be when is the Ultima quad motor EV going to make an appearance, times a ticking before ICE are no longer available for sale new.
I’m not an Ultima hater, I’ve been building a twin turbo version for years now, but if your going up against a Plaid on the road your probably going to need 1200hp with all the reliability and heat issues that will bring to get out in front of the Tesla

One of the big appeals of an Ultima, just like a cobra or gt40 rep, is the noise and sensation from the engine. It’s intrinsic to the cars appeal. Replace that with an EV power plant and you’ve lost a huge part of the cars appeal. An EV Ultima would be an awful thing. The whole point is analogue. EVs aren’t analogue. In an Ultima you’d end up with a quick, soulless kit car. No sound, no sensation, questionable road manners, basic equipment - what would be the appeal?

[xrtim]

deadscoob said:

One of the big appeals of an Ultima, just like a cobra or gt40 rep, is the noise and sensation from the engine. It’s intrinsic to the cars appeal. Replace that with an EV power plant and you’ve lost a huge part of the cars appeal. An EV Ultima would be an awful thing. The whole point is analogue. EVs aren’t analogue. In an Ultima you’d end up with a quick, soulless kit car. No sound, no sensation, questionable road manners, basic equipment - what would be the appeal?

I’m with you on the noise of the engine but in another 8 years in the UK new builds aren’t going to have one, kits may get away with recon units but eventually that will be stopped so EV it is. I purchased an Ultima kit because it was the fastest available within my budget and could be made faster. I don’t agree that an EV Ultima would be awful and needs to be analogue, just look at the specification and equipment changes from the gtr to the rs, the market is for more equipment and luxury.
I don’t think an EV Ultima would ever be soulless, have questionable road manners and why would it have basic equipment. The market is changing and the factory will have to change with it wether we like it or not.
I’d be interested in how many miles an average drive in an Ultima is, I’d imagine it’s less than 60 with enough dabs of the throttle and turns of the wheels to raise the heart beat and adrenaline and put a smile on the face, surely an EV Ultima could do that

[TR3B]

xrtim said:

The market is changing and the factory will have to change with it wether we like it or not.

The market isn't changing - the corrupt clowns we let into power are forcing us all into another harebrained scheme like LED lightbulbs, social security and refugees. The more the government stooges try to force electric cars on us, the more guys like me are going to be looking for a company like Ultima.

[wannabe-racer]

I knew this discussion would end up with the assertion that EV's are the future and liquid fuel is yesteryear. But what is the governments solution to all the other use cases that EV's will simply never in the month of Sundays work like: cargo trucks, freight trains, vessels, cruise liners, aircraft etc etc.

If you look at vessels alone, there are somewhat over 90,000 commercial vessels at sea. The medium size ones consume around 60,000 gallons of oil per day. So to put it simply, a single commercial vessel consumes the equivalent of 2.5million miles that a road car would travel assuming 40 miles per gallon. That is the equivalent of 210 cars for an entire year assuming 12k miles per year every single day. I know there is work going on to use batteries but what about these big shipping lines and all this in 8years, it must be a joke.

[xrtim]

TR3B said:

xrtim said:

The market is changing and the factory will have to change with it wether we like it or not.

The market isn't changing - the corrupt clowns we let into power are forcing us all into another harebrained scheme like LED lightbulbs, social security and refugees. The more the government stooges try to force electric cars on us, the more guys like me are going to be looking for a company like Ultima.

The market is changing along with the world and our environment, 18.8% of UK car sales electric, more electric vehicles sold in 2021 than from 2010 to 2019 and accelerating (figures from internet)
Why so many sales when they can purchase a diesel or petrol vehicle? Still 8 years left not being forced.
So back to the topic Tesla vs Ultima, why wouldn’t you want Tesla performance and comfort in an Ultima?
Hopefully Ultima will still be here in another 20 years but there’s a good chance it won’t be with petrol engines
Can’t bring myself to comment on the quality of the government.
Enjoy the petrol while you can, I’m off down the garage (Ultima electrics conversion to RS spec)

[Glosphil]

"Why so many sales when they can purchase a diesel or petrol vehicle?"
__________________________________

Tax breaks & BIK? Richer people buying on a whim that have other cars?

So many sales? Still a low proportion of sales, especially when used cars included. Many people only ever buy used cars.
How many EVs are bought by people/families with one/two cars earning average, or below average, wages? If these people can't afford to buy EVs, even used, then EV sales will stall.

[TR3B]

Glosphil said:

"Why so many sales when they can purchase a diesel or petrol vehicle?"
__________________________________

Tax breaks & BIK? Richer people buying on a whim that have other cars?

So many sales? Still a low proportion of sales, especially when used cars included. Many people only ever buy used cars.
How many EVs are bought by people/families with one/two cars earning average, or below average, wages? If these people can't afford to buy EVs, even used, then EV sales will stall.

Chip shortage has to be effecting those numbers too. You can't buy any new car here in the US without it being a special order, a lengthy wait and often a steep dealer mark up. You also can't buy anything used because everyone is either panic buying classics or asking sticker+ for 10 year old garbage. It's madness.

Buying a used EV is totally asking for it. What happens when the battery packs die? No thanks. I also don't know anyone who's bought a second electric car. They buy one, try it out for a while, discover they hate it and move on. I don't doubt that there's a subset of masochists who will gravitate to soulless electric dreck but there's no way this sort of thing will have mass acceptance unless it's by force.

I'll just leave this here;

https://news.sky.com/video/finland-man-blows-up-te...

Edited by TR3B on Wednesday 5th January 05:09

[BogBeast]

xrtim said:

The market is changing along with the world and our environment, 18.8% of UK car sales electric, more electric vehicles sold in 2021 than from 2010 to 2019 and accelerating (figures from internet)
Why so many sales when they can purchase a diesel or petrol vehicle? Still 8 years left not being forced.
So back to the topic Tesla vs Ultima, why wouldn’t you want Tesla performance and comfort in an Ultima?
Hopefully Ultima will still be here in another 20 years but there’s a good chance it won’t be with petrol engines
Can’t bring myself to comment on the quality of the government.
Enjoy the petrol while you can, I’m off down the garage (Ultima electrics conversion to RS spec)

Just put my deposit down on a plaid, it will sit alongside my Ultima.

Happy to see the back of the diesel daily drive, did a job but it was just a utility. Never as the attraction of diesel for an enthusiast drive (perhaps I am just old..). Am not going back from electric for my day-to-day.

I sincerely hope there will be an allowance for the small volume/self-build car/motorbike market that will allow petrol (or perhaps bio-ethanol) to continue. At the end of the day, the environmental impact of such an allowance would be minimal and yet would keep an awful lot of us happy.

Really wish I had the money to buy up the last of GM crate LS's and stick them in a warehouse - I have feeling they will become sought after things...

[xrtim]

BogBeast said:

Just put my deposit down on a plaid, it will sit alongside my Ultima.

Happy to see the back of the diesel daily drive, did a job but it was just a utility. Never as the attraction of diesel for an enthusiast drive (perhaps I am just old..). Am not going back from electric for my day-to-day.

I sincerely hope there will be an allowance for the small volume/self-build car/motorbike market that will allow petrol (or perhaps bio-ethanol) to continue. At the end of the day, the environmental impact of such an allowance would be minimal and yet would keep an awful lot of us happy.

Really wish I had the money to buy up the last of GM crate LS's and stick them in a warehouse - I have feeling they will become sought after things...

There’s and interesting post coming from you in the future, will the plaid turn out to be a soulless car or will it blow your mind?
I hope it’s the latter and your comments on an EV Ultima running the same tech.
I’ve got a feeling there will be a an limited amount of time that small volume car manufactures will be allowed to continue but the future looks bleak (hope I’m wrong)
I’ll be running petrol for as long as I can
Congratulations on the purchase keep us posted

[BogBeast]

xrtim said:

There’s and interesting post coming from you in the future, will the plaid turn out to be a soulless car or will it blow your mind?
I hope it’s the latter and your comments on an EV Ultima running the same tech.
I’ve got a feeling there will be a an limited amount of time that small volume car manufactures will be allowed to continue but the future looks bleak (hope I’m wrong)
I’ll be running petrol for as long as I can
Congratulations on the purchase keep us posted

I am already in a Model 3 Performance, and that makes me giggle every time I drive it, and the torque response is mind-bending. So I expect the plaid to be just a lot more.

I understand the comments about electric cars being soulless, especially when coming from a V8/10/12. It is a very different experience, but I would not say inferior, just different. And still a load of fun.

[deadscoob]

xrtim said:

deadscoob said:

One of the big appeals of an Ultima, just like a cobra or gt40 rep, is the noise and sensation from the engine. It’s intrinsic to the cars appeal. Replace that with an EV power plant and you’ve lost a huge part of the cars appeal. An EV Ultima would be an awful thing. The whole point is analogue. EVs aren’t analogue. In an Ultima you’d end up with a quick, soulless kit car. No sound, no sensation, questionable road manners, basic equipment - what would be the appeal?

I’m with you on the noise of the engine but in another 8 years in the UK new builds aren’t going to have one, kits may get away with recon units but eventually that will be stopped so EV it is. I purchased an Ultima kit because it was the fastest available within my budget and could be made faster. I don’t agree that an EV Ultima would be awful and needs to be analogue, just look at the specification and equipment changes from the gtr to the rs, the market is for more equipment and luxury.
I don’t think an EV Ultima would ever be soulless, have questionable road manners and why would it have basic equipment. The market is changing and the factory will have to change with it wether we like it or not.
I’d be interested in how many miles an average drive in an Ultima is, I’d imagine it’s less than 60 with enough dabs of the throttle and turns of the wheels to raise the heart beat and adrenaline and put a smile on the face, surely an EV Ultima could do that

How would an EV Ultima not be soulless? What would an EV Ultima do that gives it soul? Whirs?
My comments re basic etc we’re based on Ultimas as they are now - they’re basic cars with not great road manners and loads of character which is pretty much down to the engine. Lose that and what do you have?
Noise is a huge part of car lovers dislike of EVs and it’s a huge part of the appeal of an a Ultima. The analogue experience.