HD freesat - no aeriel. Can I connect to a sky dish?

HD freesat - no aeriel. Can I connect to a sky dish?

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johnfm

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13,668 posts

251 months

Monday 10th October 2011
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I have sky plus.

No tv aerial, just currently connected to sky.

Getting a HD tv with built in HD freesat.

Will I need to get an aerial installed to get the HD freeview channels?

essayer

9,079 posts

195 months

Monday 10th October 2011
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You'll need another feed from your LNB (dish) - are you 'retiring' your sky?

stargazer30

1,597 posts

167 months

Monday 10th October 2011
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You'll need 2x feeds from the dish to get HD channels. A single feed is SD only. The newer sky dishes have at least 4 feeds on the dish though.

johnfm

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251 months

Monday 10th October 2011
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Probably not - as we watch mainly sky one/ sky atlantic.

Probably upgrade to Sky HD - but wanted to check picture Q on freeview first.

I don't really like super sharp HD pictures, to be honest, so will only pay for the upgrade if I can get the images the way I like them.

johnfm

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13,668 posts

251 months

Monday 10th October 2011
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So, am I going to need a new sky dish or new LNB if I upgrade to Sky HD?

FlossyThePig

4,083 posts

244 months

Monday 10th October 2011
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stargazer30 said:
You'll need 2x feeds from the dish to get HD channels. A single feed is SD only. The newer sky dishes have at least 4 feeds on the dish though.
Wrong!

Only one connection to dish for HD.

johnfm said:
So, am I going to need a new sky dish or new LNB if I upgrade to Sky HD?
Two feeds to Sky+ box, SkyHD box or most Freesat recorders (I don't think you can get SkyHD without a recorder hence two feeds).

Edited by FlossyThePig on Monday 10th October 19:17

Mikey G

4,733 posts

241 months

Monday 10th October 2011
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If you have Sky+ the chances are you already have a quad LNB on your dish, in other words your dish will take 4 outputs. 2 of these currently go to your Sky+ box, the other 2 are spare.
You will need some 'F' connectors and some coax to connect to your freesat input.

MagicalTrevor

6,476 posts

230 months

Monday 10th October 2011
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stargazer30 said:
You'll need 2x feeds from the dish to get HD channels. A single feed is SD only. The newer sky dishes have at least 4 feeds on the dish though.
What a load of rubbish!

1 feed per SD or HD channel
2 feeds to allow you to record a second channel

When you've seen 4 feeds, that's for multi-room with 1 or 2 feeds going to another Sky box

Mr AJ

1,247 posts

172 months

Monday 10th October 2011
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Just to clarify a few points here as you have had a few conflicting posts.

1) Yes, You can connect Freesat boxes to Sky Dishes - Both services are broadcast from the same satellite.
- If you are retiring the Sky+ box and just going with freesat you only need to move the Sat feed cables from the back of the Sky+ box to the back of the Sky box.
- If you are keeping Sky+ you will need to get an Additional feed run from the Dish to wherever the Freesat TV is going. An local Aerial rigger can do it for you doesn't have to be Sky!.

2) Don't get 2 extra feeds ran as advised above without checking your new TV actually needs two - It'll be a waste of money and a waste of cable. The amount of feeds ran != Image quality being displayed - The second feed on a Sky+/Sky+HD box just enables you to record two channels at once - If your TV doesn't do multi-channel recording it won't have a dual tuner. You can get a SkyHD box without the Sky+ feature which only has one tuner, Ergo HD down one cable!. http://www.sky.com/shop/boxes/sky-multiroom/skyhd-... - No idea what these boxes are like though - I stopped all my Satellite work before these came out.

3) You won't need an LNB upgrade for HD.

4) Ignoring all the above though, It sounds like you just want to take a look at the Freesat HD channels before deciding whether to get Sky HD or not - Your not actually going to be using the Freesat function day-in day-out - So the simplest answer is feel free to take the feed from the Sky+ box and plug it into the TV - It'll function perfectly fine. Remember to put it back in the Sky+ box before you want to record something, And be careful you don't bend over or Snap the Copper core.

MagicalTrevor

6,476 posts

230 months

Monday 10th October 2011
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+1 what Mr AJ said.

I was in a similar situation, I had Sky and I wanted to stop my subscription. I wanted to move over to Freesat HD so I bought a Humax FOXSAT HDR and connected both feeds directly to the back. Without any changes to the existing setup the new box just tuned into all the Freesat channels, including the HD channels.

I suspect it's unlikely that any TV with Freesat will have inputs for two feeds as they're only really required to allow recording of another channel whilst your watching another.

johnfm

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251 months

Monday 10th October 2011
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cheers - but I think I made an error.

I think it has HD freeVIEW NOT freeSAT.

cjs

10,729 posts

252 months

Monday 10th October 2011
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johnfm said:
cheers - but I think I made an error.

I think it has HD freeVIEW NOT freeSAT.
Then you need a decent aerial and you have wasted everyone's time who posted above.

johnfm

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251 months

Monday 10th October 2011
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cjs said:
johnfm said:
cheers - but I think I made an error.

I think it has HD freeVIEW NOT freeSAT.
Then you need a decent aerial and you have wasted everyone's time who posted above.
Ah, but I have now learned a great deal about what I need if I ditch sky for freesat, so I doubt anybody has wasted any of their time, per se.

MagicalTrevor

6,476 posts

230 months

Monday 10th October 2011
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cjs said:
Then you need a decent aerial and you have wasted everyone's time who posted above.
A bit harsh, he just confused two similar terms.

Generally, you need a decent aerial to get a decent enough signal for HD. You may need to upgrade your existing aerial to achieve this.

Of course, if you're paying for an aerial then you may wish to consider either Freesat or Freeview

Bullett

10,888 posts

185 months

Monday 10th October 2011
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Does the tv you are getting not have a model that uses freesat instead of freeview? Buy that instead.

BalhamBadger

1,161 posts

174 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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I have just moved into a house with a sky dish, four sockets dotted around the house but no sky sub so this has proved extremely useful for me - thanks all.

So, what's the best Freesat HD PVR?

Mikey G

4,733 posts

241 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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BalhamBadger said:
I have just moved into a house with a sky dish, four sockets dotted around the house but no sky sub so this has proved extremely useful for me - thanks all.

So, what's the best Freesat HD PVR?
Humax always gets good reviews.

MagicalTrevor

6,476 posts

230 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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I have a Humax FOXSAT HDR, it's getting a bit old now but does the trick. Not sure what the current box of choice is

randlemarcus

13,525 posts

232 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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MagicalTrevor said:
I have a Humax FOXSAT HDR, it's getting a bit old now but does the trick. Not sure what the current box of choice is
Erm, a Humax Foxsat HDR. biggrin

F i F

44,108 posts

252 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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Blimey chaps the wonder of PH, here's me looking in that mag, scratching my chin in Best Buy and then wander into a PH forum I never usually visit and get loads of questions answered on the first page of threads. big thumbup.

Anyway similar position to johnfm, revising my TV from a CRT Panasonic that jut about manages to have a scart. paperbag

Current setup is sky+ with multiroom, not considering ditching sky but have just cancelled multiroom. Want to leave the cabling to the other room.

Am getting a non sky engineer to shift the dish due to neighbouring trees that cause problems in high winds, plus put some extra points in, and do it properly with wall socket plates, not just drill holes and leave cables dangling like the sky lot do.

So was intending also to get a aeriel but reading the thread realise I could get a Freesat HD TV instead saving the need for an aeriel. So the question is, will it be possible for the engineer to run a 4th cable from the LNB to a socket so that I can connect that to the TV?

Have noted the comment about temporarily shifting from the back of the sky+ but don't like messing about with connections too much as sooner or later somebody bends or cross threads something. Yes I'm being a nancy.