More 'Audiophile' bullsh*t
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Deva Link said:
Through work, we know someone in this industry and they were losing business by refusing to "burn-in" cables because they think it's horsest. So they offer it now.
IforB said:
Now that's something that confuses the hell out of me. Burning in cables? What is it supposed to actually do?
Running in speakers is one thing, but cables? Methinks that some people have their intelligence to Money ratio a bit wrong.
Sounds like a productive niche; 'what do you do for living?' 'I burn in cables for credulous poltroons'Running in speakers is one thing, but cables? Methinks that some people have their intelligence to Money ratio a bit wrong.
I think that to do it complete justice you'd have to offer bespoke service; cables burned entirely with Coltrane and Parker for Jazz listeners, Booker T & the MGs and Al Green for Memphis Soul addicts, the
custodian said:
Dedicated 30amp mains spur
I'm amazed more people with seriously expensive kit don't do this, especially if you have power hungry amps.I'm intrigued by *mains* conditioners etc. however if a component has a good enough power supply to start with I really can't see how they should make any difference. For a turntable with a motor that runs at mains voltage I can see more of a reason though.
Toxicnerve I salute your endurance but you're on a hiding to nothing with these nutters. Oh yeah and how DARE you suggest a scientific, reproducible and reliable way of proving that all of this is bks!
custodian said:
Bought several highly regarded mains cables. Result worse because sound seemed "strangled"
and indeed custodian said:
Not heard the Vivaldi. Rav wants to lend me one but I am not rushing for the time being.
He's a nice guy, very enthusiastic, it is worth a listen, but you do need a lot of space for it.Did you notice that in their listening room, non of the mains outlets have switches on?
Edited by Adrian W on Saturday 5th January 13:02
IforB said:
Now that's something that confuses the hell out of me. Burning in cables? What is it supposed to actually do?
Running in speakers is one thing, but cables? Methinks that some people have their intelligence to Money ratio a bit wrong.
If you've ever bought a new house, you'l notice that the lights get brighter and produce a more even lighting field as the mains cables burn in.Running in speakers is one thing, but cables? Methinks that some people have their intelligence to Money ratio a bit wrong.
I can't believe you didn't know this.
anonymous said:
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custodian said:
Why would I want to spend my time doing that?
If that is the way you want to choose, it's up to you. I'm sure you will end up with a very low noise, low distortion,system.
For me, my ears work pretty well as the selection tool.
If your ears can tell the difference, would it not be possible to show the difference on measuring equipment?If that is the way you want to choose, it's up to you. I'm sure you will end up with a very low noise, low distortion,system.
For me, my ears work pretty well as the selection tool.
ETA something feels hot or cold - can be proven by a thermometer. Something sounds loud/quiet, again can be measured.
Why can't sound waveform distortion be quantified ?
Edited by Countdown on Saturday 5th January 13:50
0a said:
The biggest BS surrounds digital sources. I used to use a £12 CD player to feed a DAC that listed at £3k (I didn't pay that though, and through sensible buying and selling I made a profit on it!), various friends were surprised when they couldn't detect a difference with the £12 CD player and many thousand pound "dedicated transport" another friend had when played via digital outputs in to the same DAC. Well dur...
That's quite worrying. The key to understanding is the 'A' in DAC...The_Burg said:
In theory digital sources are pretty much identical as many have said a PC can't work if there is any error yet when i changed the soundcard in my Vortexbox source the difference was truly amazing, going from an onboard to a dedicated one, nothing special £50 job, this using the same DAC etc this was the only change.
Digital sources are nothing if not NONidentical. We've been here before.custodian said:
Bought Finite Elemente stands, result significant improvement (to an all digital system). Why?
Because no system is all digital. Unless you've invented something astonishing that you're about to unleash upon a salivating world. Or we're in The Matrix and no one told me. I'll have Trinity please, paws off, I saw her first.anonymous said:
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You know better than most TN that above a certain price point, the environment and the room has all the more influence than any gear you can throw at it - a yacht like a car is a bugger of a place to set up properly, and no amount of silly money gear will help. Also there's a frightening amount of gear which is priced to be expensive whilst basically sounding dire, but more often than not was purchased based upon the price and percieved quality... A shame, but such is life.custodian said:
Sure, room is key part of system. Some excellent room treatments available these days.
I remember my father telling me of a book he read on hi-fi when microgroove records were the latest thing, with mono sound.Part of setting up a system was to take sound measurements at different frequencies and adjust the furnishings to make the room as neutral as possible.
Things were so much simpler then. One turntable, one pre-amp, one amp and one speaker.
Globs said:
If a power conditioner has any effect it's because your amplifier is too crappy and you need a new one.
Luckily for £1500 you should be able to buy a decent tube one from Icon Audio.
Why do you think mains power supplies for all sort of applications can cost tens of thousands, that statement is complete toshLuckily for £1500 you should be able to buy a decent tube one from Icon Audio.
Adrian W said:
Globs said:
If a power conditioner has any effect it's because your amplifier is too crappy and you need a new one.
Luckily for £1500 you should be able to buy a decent tube one from Icon Audio.
Why do you think mains power supplies for all sort of applications can cost tens of thousands, that statement is complete toshLuckily for £1500 you should be able to buy a decent tube one from Icon Audio.
You have run two sentenced into one line that I do not understand.
"Why do you think mains power supplies for all sort of applications can cost tens of thousands?"
Power supply cost is related to labour (development spend), parts cost and profit.
For instance Dungeness was very expensive.
I'm not really getting the relevance of the question to audio - sorry.
"that statement is complete tosh"
What statement is tosh?
custodian said:
Globs said:
Which parts do you disagree with, and why?
I recently upgraded from Pass Labs x1000 mono blocks to Halcro DM88 mono blocks. Both are improved by a decent power conditioner. Icon Audio make a solid basic valve amp which I know well. If you believe it would be an improvement, you are deaf.
If your DM88s are improved by a power conditioner then obviously the PSUs in them are not good enough. How is that a strange concept? Did you think that names and money are any influence to the laws of physics? The electrons can't read the label on the front of your amp.
In general tube amps have much better power supplies.
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