Does anyone have a 4k TV?
Discussion
varsas said:
A review of the 55inch version of that screen here:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue55hu6900-20140523...
They say that the screen handles motion poorly (that is, to say, only as well as any other LCD with no clever de-bluring tech) but I think they are overstating the problem a bit. Not seen it though, so I have no idea. To paraphrase Jack Sparrow it's bad 4K TV...Ah...but it IS a 4K TV...
The HU6900 imo is worse than the LG UB850 set it's motion handling is utterly appalling http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue55hu6900-20140523...
They say that the screen handles motion poorly (that is, to say, only as well as any other LCD with no clever de-bluring tech) but I think they are overstating the problem a bit. Not seen it though, so I have no idea. To paraphrase Jack Sparrow it's bad 4K TV...Ah...but it IS a 4K TV...
Edited by varsas on Sunday 8th June 19:13
jason61c said:
4k/3d, all a waste of time. Sky do not broadcast proper hd yet.
I genuinely think that Sky will offer 4K broadcasts in the next 12-18 months, they've been conducting test transmissions for most of this year, and if it's of any interest there's a 24hr 4K demo channel on Eutelsat 13.1E which any of the freesat equipped 4K Samsungs can pick up, and apparently it's stunning in quality.
Sky will push this forward quickly as it'll be a major cashcow for them, and LG have a big tie-in with Sky so they'll be pushed massively.
Driller said:
I thought 3D was the big thing these days, are these 4K sets 3D?
I suppose it depends. Everyone will make their own minds up but I don't know anyone who cares about 3D, if anything the opposite, when going to watch a film at the cinema we make sure we watch the 2D version. I have all the kit I need to watch stuff in 3D but have never actually sat down and watched one.The general consensus in the broadcast industry, were I've worked for the past 26 years, is that, as we have not even upgraded everything to HD yet then why then re-engineer for 4K when 8K is about to be realised?
There also is a strong argument in the industry that higher definition is fine for still pictures but when it comes to moving images it is the screen refresh rate that really matters. Using the analogy of a still image plate camera. It may take beautiful still pictures but even if you press the shutter as fast as you can and run the resulting images as a moving image and the action will still be jerky.
I've seen SD TV pictures at refresh rates of 150 images/second and, for example, you can see the detail on a football as it is kicked across the pitch. Even 4K does not offer that. But the industry is fixed on the fact that definition good and is hood-winking the consumer that this is the way to go. Ultimately 4K is just then next "must have" product without any real substance to the argument as to the benefits gained. It's a bigger number so it has to be better right?!
There also is a strong argument in the industry that higher definition is fine for still pictures but when it comes to moving images it is the screen refresh rate that really matters. Using the analogy of a still image plate camera. It may take beautiful still pictures but even if you press the shutter as fast as you can and run the resulting images as a moving image and the action will still be jerky.
I've seen SD TV pictures at refresh rates of 150 images/second and, for example, you can see the detail on a football as it is kicked across the pitch. Even 4K does not offer that. But the industry is fixed on the fact that definition good and is hood-winking the consumer that this is the way to go. Ultimately 4K is just then next "must have" product without any real substance to the argument as to the benefits gained. It's a bigger number so it has to be better right?!
tdm34 said:
I genuinely think that Sky will offer 4K broadcasts in the next 12-18 months, they've been conducting test transmissions for most of this year, and if it's of any interest there's a 24hr 4K demo channel on
Eutelsat 13.1E which any of the freesat equipped 4K Samsungs can pick up, and apparently it's stunning in quality.
Sky will push this forward quickly as it'll be a major cashcow for them, and LG have a big tie-in with Sky so they'll be pushed massively.
I understood neither HD (both in blu-ray disk and broadcast) or 3D had enjoyed the uptake and profitability a lot in the industry had hoped for. I know a number of people with 50" TV's who considered the £10 premium sky wanted for HD to be a ripoff and went without. HD exists alongside SD rather than surpassing it. While I'm sure enough people got on board to make it worth sky's while I can't help but feel that unless 4k costs them negligable investment it won't pay off. Eutelsat 13.1E which any of the freesat equipped 4K Samsungs can pick up, and apparently it's stunning in quality.
Sky will push this forward quickly as it'll be a major cashcow for them, and LG have a big tie-in with Sky so they'll be pushed massively.
The unfortunate issue surrounding pricing means that unless people buy 4K sets now, the price will take much longer to come down to mainstream levels.
Yet as has been pointed out already, there's next to no 4K content available at the moment so why would you buy a 4K set now.
My Samsung 46" M87 set is now quite a few years old but I'm reluctant to buy a 55-60" 4K set until at the very least the 4K standard for broadcasts has been agreed. As it stands at the moment if you buy a current 4K set you may very well find that if/when 4K shows are broadcast, your new TV won't play them anyway.
Give it another 12 months I'd suggest.
Yet as has been pointed out already, there's next to no 4K content available at the moment so why would you buy a 4K set now.
My Samsung 46" M87 set is now quite a few years old but I'm reluctant to buy a 55-60" 4K set until at the very least the 4K standard for broadcasts has been agreed. As it stands at the moment if you buy a current 4K set you may very well find that if/when 4K shows are broadcast, your new TV won't play them anyway.
Give it another 12 months I'd suggest.
HRL said:
The unfortunate issue surrounding pricing means that unless people buy 4K sets now, the price will take much longer to come down to mainstream levels.
Yet as has been pointed out already, there's next to no 4K content available at the moment so why would you buy a 4K set now.
My Samsung 46" M87 set is now quite a few years old but I'm reluctant to buy a 55-60" 4K set until at the very least the 4K standard for broadcasts has been agreed. As it stands at the moment if you buy a current 4K set you may very well find that if/when 4K shows are broadcast, your new TV won't play them anyway.
Give it another 12 months I'd suggest.
Samsung eve box will sort it if the worst happens.Yet as has been pointed out already, there's next to no 4K content available at the moment so why would you buy a 4K set now.
My Samsung 46" M87 set is now quite a few years old but I'm reluctant to buy a 55-60" 4K set until at the very least the 4K standard for broadcasts has been agreed. As it stands at the moment if you buy a current 4K set you may very well find that if/when 4K shows are broadcast, your new TV won't play them anyway.
Give it another 12 months I'd suggest.
If you want a short preview of what 4k looks like try
https://mega.co.nz/#!swUHyQRR!Ywmq9wVRxWt9TmzkigFy...
Looks great even on 1080 or even better 2560x1440 PC displays.
https://mega.co.nz/#!swUHyQRR!Ywmq9wVRxWt9TmzkigFy...
Looks great even on 1080 or even better 2560x1440 PC displays.
I've been using 4K 24" OLED monitors (or they might have been 28") on a big job recently, but with HD feeds.
The big snag now is that the 4K monitors are so detailed, they make any compression in the HD stream terribly evident, to the point where it looks like SD.
There will be 4K Outside Broadcasts at some point in the not too distant future, there are already trucks being built, although there are a number of issues with regards signal transmission to overcome.
8K is probably 7 to 10 years from hitting the mainstream I'd say, it's only just starting to make an appearance at major events as a demonstration source, this happened with 4K in 2007, although we had 3D in the interim.
To answer another poster, 3D television has all but died. No doubt films will continue to be produced in 3D, but there'll be very little TV in the future.
The big snag now is that the 4K monitors are so detailed, they make any compression in the HD stream terribly evident, to the point where it looks like SD.
There will be 4K Outside Broadcasts at some point in the not too distant future, there are already trucks being built, although there are a number of issues with regards signal transmission to overcome.
8K is probably 7 to 10 years from hitting the mainstream I'd say, it's only just starting to make an appearance at major events as a demonstration source, this happened with 4K in 2007, although we had 3D in the interim.
To answer another poster, 3D television has all but died. No doubt films will continue to be produced in 3D, but there'll be very little TV in the future.
I am currently in the market for a new TV, have probably replaced one every ten years up to now. The 4K question is ever looming and amongst all the great demo's they have at the stores I know that is not how it will look in my living room. Trouble is I need to try and future proof as much as I can so is an HD TV the answer 
Hmmmm, well you could;
- Go premium 1080, too many to choose from
- Go all the way http://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/televisions/x900...
But, If you HAD to buy a new tv, which I do (after moving to the US) and there were great deals on Samsung 4k's would you still avoid??
Samsung seems to be as future-proof as is possible and at $1400 for a 55" and $1800 for 65" it is a lot cheaper than the 1080 set I bought 2 years ago in europe.
Samsung seems to be as future-proof as is possible and at $1400 for a 55" and $1800 for 65" it is a lot cheaper than the 1080 set I bought 2 years ago in europe.
AWG said:
...Trouble is I need to try and future proof as much as I can so is an HD TV the answer
Interesting article on The Register today.The Register said:
there's still a mass of conflicting standards, regarding bit rates, colour depth have and more. Some of those are edging towards being sorted out, but until they all are, I'd certainly hold off on buying a 4K TV
If there was a 4K display available to the consumer that could achieve Rec. 2020, it might be worth a punt. In the meantime, buying a 4K TV today means when Rec. 2020 is rolled out, you're needing to upgrade again to actually make use of the new standard. It's the usual early adopter issue, but isn't really being explained to the consumer very well at this point.
Most folks seem content with Rec. 709 though, and the good sales folks in Richer Sounds, John Lewis et al aren't in a hurry to explain that these displays don't reach the UHD standard.
Most folks seem content with Rec. 709 though, and the good sales folks in Richer Sounds, John Lewis et al aren't in a hurry to explain that these displays don't reach the UHD standard.
varsas said:
re: Can you see the difference? I found this interesting:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/4k-resolution-20131...
What I found interesting was that not all 49 guests in their tests could tell the difference between a £1600 TV and a £3200 TV - If I am paying that much more for a screen then I want the difference to be so amazingly obvious that a test like this would be redundant ...http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/4k-resolution-20131...
craigjm said:
This months what hifi has a big 4k test and a Samsung set wins retailing in the uk for 2300
Unfortunately, What HiFi isn't the best place to get consumer advice regarding AV kit. Everything from HDMI cables to 4K displays are reviewed on the basis that the amount they're paid to review the sample, impacts the strength of the review.HDTVTest.co.uk or AVForums.com would be the place to go for an accurate review, with calibration data for greyscale, gamma & RGB colour balance all shown in the majority of cases.
That's not to say the Samsung isn't any good, but there are better places to research products before forking out 2 big ones IMO.
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