Comfy. Good bass. Loud. What headphones?
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What are you listening to the music on?
A phone or ipod or something similar? If so, must be an app to whack the bass up if that's what you like, some sort of equaliser type thing.
Same with a PC.
Say what you like about Beats, but you have to admit that Dre did well there. Sold that right at the peak...
A phone or ipod or something similar? If so, must be an app to whack the bass up if that's what you like, some sort of equaliser type thing.
Same with a PC.
Say what you like about Beats, but you have to admit that Dre did well there. Sold that right at the peak...
sparkyhx said:
yes I 'b
hed' about them, but your requirements are somewhat confused.
I dont understand how they are confused? Good bass doesn't necessarily mean loud bass, which everyone has taken it to mean. Apple EarBuds give good enough bass for me, if that helps at all.hed' about them, but your requirements are somewhat confused.sparkyhx said:
Good Choice cos they are crap, plenty of excellent alternatives......lets go people
You may think they're crap, I didn't. Doesn't mean I won't have anything else, hence the thread.sparkyhx said:
oh dear, so you want the same kind of sound!...................back to Beats then, cos anything decent will sound kinda weedy (but more accurate) in comparison to beats.
No, I don't necessarily want the same kind of sound. Like i said, I didn't say I meant loud bass.sparkyhx said:
ok but you still want them to sound like beats?
No, i want comfort, Good bass reproduction and to be fairly loud.sparkyhx said:
nothing like the beats, cos beats are sh'iite and the recommended ones are good.
All the ones mentioned will be good, the £150 price bracket is full of decent stuff, but none will give the bass of the beats
So do you want them to have a sound balance like beats or not? or was that a red herring? If you do, just buy the beats.
Im happy to accept a different kind of sound, as long it meets my criteria. As i keep saying, it doesn't have to be loud bass.All the ones mentioned will be good, the £150 price bracket is full of decent stuff, but none will give the bass of the beats
So do you want them to have a sound balance like beats or not? or was that a red herring? If you do, just buy the beats.
sparkyhx said:
Now for the none bhy bit
for lower leakage either go for in ear or closed over ear (not open or on ear) Or don't put them that loud - its really not good for you and you are risking having hearing loss in your 40's 50's.
I use sennheiser HD25-1 ii, which are used a lot in broadcasting (think sports commontators on TV) for broadcast monitoring and DJ's(but don't think bass heavy), They are also very robust and their modular design means everything is repairable/replaceable and Sennheiser keep spares for years and years. unlike most modern headphones.
I have no idea how they sound with the kind of music I suspect you play, but I'm absolutely certain they will sound totally different to Beats, as will almost all the alternatives people will suggest.
However the Sennheisers are not pretty and they are not over ear. You can get them for under your budget. beware there are two Sennheiser headphones with similar name (HD25) and appearance, one is a lot cheaper than the other - so be careful if you think you've found a bargain. the one you want is the split headband version. The cost can also be reduced by opting for no spare cushions or carry bag.
I recently compared them against a pair of colleagues Sony MDR-1A headphones at £160 (available cheaper) and the Sennheisers just pipped them on the bass accuracy and level, otherwise the Sony's sounded very good (i'm talking really tiny difference). The sony's were a damn site prettier as well and had inline controls for next and volume. but I suspect less robust/fixable in the long term.
Another prob with the sennheisers they may not be readilly available to audition as they are not 'fashion' so aren't readilly available in the likes of curry's and other high street outlets. I listened to mine on Tottenham Court Road when I bought them 5 years ago or so. They've been lumped around London on a daily basis for 4 of the last 5 years (I had a break for a year when I got some bluetooth ones)..............See I said they were robust
First things first, Whats the difference between on and over ear? I Google imaged them and they look similar, apologies of its a stupid question. I think my preference would be for in ear though. My hearing is already pretty bad, so they need to be able to go loud. hy bitfor lower leakage either go for in ear or closed over ear (not open or on ear) Or don't put them that loud - its really not good for you and you are risking having hearing loss in your 40's 50's.
I use sennheiser HD25-1 ii, which are used a lot in broadcasting (think sports commontators on TV) for broadcast monitoring and DJ's(but don't think bass heavy), They are also very robust and their modular design means everything is repairable/replaceable and Sennheiser keep spares for years and years. unlike most modern headphones.
I have no idea how they sound with the kind of music I suspect you play, but I'm absolutely certain they will sound totally different to Beats, as will almost all the alternatives people will suggest.
However the Sennheisers are not pretty and they are not over ear. You can get them for under your budget. beware there are two Sennheiser headphones with similar name (HD25) and appearance, one is a lot cheaper than the other - so be careful if you think you've found a bargain. the one you want is the split headband version. The cost can also be reduced by opting for no spare cushions or carry bag.
I recently compared them against a pair of colleagues Sony MDR-1A headphones at £160 (available cheaper) and the Sennheisers just pipped them on the bass accuracy and level, otherwise the Sony's sounded very good (i'm talking really tiny difference). The sony's were a damn site prettier as well and had inline controls for next and volume. but I suspect less robust/fixable in the long term.
Another prob with the sennheisers they may not be readilly available to audition as they are not 'fashion' so aren't readilly available in the likes of curry's and other high street outlets. I listened to mine on Tottenham Court Road when I bought them 5 years ago or so. They've been lumped around London on a daily basis for 4 of the last 5 years (I had a break for a year when I got some bluetooth ones)..............See I said they were robust
I listen to a lot of different music styles. Beats were awesome for Dubstep etc, but ill admit they were s
t for other stuff. Metal for example was awful through them, and i often ended up using my Apple in ears, which I think is probably the biggest contributor to me selling them.I want them to look nice too as well. I liked the look of the CX 5.00's suggested by GlenMH further up, particularly in white & gold. Im pretty flexible with colours though if that helps.
EggsBenedict said:
What are you listening to the music on?
A phone or ipod or something similar? If so, must be an app to whack the bass up if that's what you like, some sort of equaliser type thing.
Same with a PC.
Say what you like about Beats, but you have to admit that Dre did well there. Sold that right at the peak...
Note 3. iPod Touch. iPod Classic. MacBook Air. Usually one of the above.A phone or ipod or something similar? If so, must be an app to whack the bass up if that's what you like, some sort of equaliser type thing.
Same with a PC.
Say what you like about Beats, but you have to admit that Dre did well there. Sold that right at the peak...
I use them as my PS4 headset too.
I was in the Apple Store in Birmingham a couple of years ago and was trying out the headphones in there. I tried the Beats ones and wasn't impressed, then I tried some Logitech UE 6000s.
Wow! These blew me away tbh! I was seriously impressed! Sadly you can only buy them used or refurbished now by the looks of it at around the £40-£100 mark, but for me, they are bargains!
I did read that the noise cancelling isn't as good as some others on the market though.
Wow! These blew me away tbh! I was seriously impressed! Sadly you can only buy them used or refurbished now by the looks of it at around the £40-£100 mark, but for me, they are bargains!
I did read that the noise cancelling isn't as good as some others on the market though.
justanother5tar said:
sparkyhx said:
yes I 'bhed' about them, but your requirements are somewhat confused.
I dont understand how they are confused? Good bass doesn't necessarily mean loud bass, which everyone has taken it to mean. Apple EarBuds give good enough bass for me, if that helps at all.hed' about them, but your requirements are somewhat confused.sparkyhx said:
Good Choice cos they are crap, plenty of excellent alternatives......lets go people
You may think they're crap, I didn't. Doesn't mean I won't have anything else, hence the thread.sparkyhx said:
oh dear, so you want the same kind of sound!...................back to Beats then, cos anything decent will sound kinda weedy (but more accurate) in comparison to beats.
No, I don't necessarily want the same kind of sound. Like i said, I didn't say I meant loud bass.sparkyhx said:
ok but you still want them to sound like beats?
No, i want comfort, Good bass reproduction and to be fairly loud.sparkyhx said:
nothing like the beats, cos beats are sh'iite and the recommended ones are good.
All the ones mentioned will be good, the £150 price bracket is full of decent stuff, but none will give the bass of the beats
So do you want them to have a sound balance like beats or not? or was that a red herring? If you do, just buy the beats.
Im happy to accept a different kind of sound, as long it meets my criteria. As i keep saying, it doesn't have to be loud bass.All the ones mentioned will be good, the £150 price bracket is full of decent stuff, but none will give the bass of the beats
So do you want them to have a sound balance like beats or not? or was that a red herring? If you do, just buy the beats.
sparkyhx said:
Now for the none bhy bit
for lower leakage either go for in ear or closed over ear (not open or on ear) Or don't put them that loud - its really not good for you and you are risking having hearing loss in your 40's 50's.
I use sennheiser HD25-1 ii, which are used a lot in broadcasting (think sports commontators on TV) for broadcast monitoring and DJ's(but don't think bass heavy), They are also very robust and their modular design means everything is repairable/replaceable and Sennheiser keep spares for years and years. unlike most modern headphones.
I have no idea how they sound with the kind of music I suspect you play, but I'm absolutely certain they will sound totally different to Beats, as will almost all the alternatives people will suggest.
However the Sennheisers are not pretty and they are not over ear. You can get them for under your budget. beware there are two Sennheiser headphones with similar name (HD25) and appearance, one is a lot cheaper than the other - so be careful if you think you've found a bargain. the one you want is the split headband version. The cost can also be reduced by opting for no spare cushions or carry bag.
I recently compared them against a pair of colleagues Sony MDR-1A headphones at £160 (available cheaper) and the Sennheisers just pipped them on the bass accuracy and level, otherwise the Sony's sounded very good (i'm talking really tiny difference). The sony's were a damn site prettier as well and had inline controls for next and volume. but I suspect less robust/fixable in the long term.
Another prob with the sennheisers they may not be readilly available to audition as they are not 'fashion' so aren't readilly available in the likes of curry's and other high street outlets. I listened to mine on Tottenham Court Road when I bought them 5 years ago or so. They've been lumped around London on a daily basis for 4 of the last 5 years (I had a break for a year when I got some bluetooth ones)..............See I said they were robust
First things first, Whats the difference between on and over ear? I Google imaged them and they look similar, apologies of its a stupid question. I think my preference would be for in ear though. My hearing is already pretty bad, so they need to be able to go loud. hy bitfor lower leakage either go for in ear or closed over ear (not open or on ear) Or don't put them that loud - its really not good for you and you are risking having hearing loss in your 40's 50's.
I use sennheiser HD25-1 ii, which are used a lot in broadcasting (think sports commontators on TV) for broadcast monitoring and DJ's(but don't think bass heavy), They are also very robust and their modular design means everything is repairable/replaceable and Sennheiser keep spares for years and years. unlike most modern headphones.
I have no idea how they sound with the kind of music I suspect you play, but I'm absolutely certain they will sound totally different to Beats, as will almost all the alternatives people will suggest.
However the Sennheisers are not pretty and they are not over ear. You can get them for under your budget. beware there are two Sennheiser headphones with similar name (HD25) and appearance, one is a lot cheaper than the other - so be careful if you think you've found a bargain. the one you want is the split headband version. The cost can also be reduced by opting for no spare cushions or carry bag.
I recently compared them against a pair of colleagues Sony MDR-1A headphones at £160 (available cheaper) and the Sennheisers just pipped them on the bass accuracy and level, otherwise the Sony's sounded very good (i'm talking really tiny difference). The sony's were a damn site prettier as well and had inline controls for next and volume. but I suspect less robust/fixable in the long term.
Another prob with the sennheisers they may not be readilly available to audition as they are not 'fashion' so aren't readilly available in the likes of curry's and other high street outlets. I listened to mine on Tottenham Court Road when I bought them 5 years ago or so. They've been lumped around London on a daily basis for 4 of the last 5 years (I had a break for a year when I got some bluetooth ones)..............See I said they were robust
I listen to a lot of different music styles. Beats were awesome for Dubstep etc, but ill admit they were s
t for other stuff. Metal for example was awful through them, and i often ended up using my Apple in ears, which I think is probably the biggest contributor to me selling them.I want them to look nice too as well. I liked the look of the CX 5.00's suggested by GlenMH further up, particularly in white & gold. Im pretty flexible with colours though if that helps.
I like bass, but I like to hear the fingers on the string and the decay, each individual note. that doesn't mean its enhanced to the detriment of everything else, it means I can pick out the bass line in the overall maelstrom of the rest of the music. I love to follow Martin Turners intricate bass lines, where he is playing the bass like another guitar, not just banging out a rhythm, over the twin lead guitars who are playing harmonies and solos. none of that requires a lot of bass, just clear separation and soundstage and accurate reproduction.
Anyway we are going round in circles here, you thought the beats were good then a few sentences later you say you got rid of them cos they reproduced music badly. I say they reproduce music badly full stop. I can see the attraction of them for dubstep and the like, but they are still reproducing even that music falsely.
Over ear/on ear its pretty much as it sounds. yes they look the same but when you see them in real life you will see the over ear are much bigger cos they er........go over the ear, i.e. your ear goes inside the headphone cup whereas on ear...........or goes on the ear, i.e. sits on the ear and doesn't cover it. therefore there is leakage, but also ventilation, which the over ear ones can get a bit sweaty.
I assume you don't also know the difference between Closed and open - open designs leak sound out and in. Closed ones don't -
Open designs sound better and generally go louder cos the drive units are not struggling against the air pressure as much. But most crucially for you Closed ones tend to have better bass reproduction. So for optimum bass and lowest leakage go for over ear closed, but generally at the expense of a loss of finer detail and imagery.
Hope that helps. This at the end of the day is all rather theoretical, let your ears be the choice, visit a few electrical places, including John Lewis, bose shops, to see their range, and just try them with a selection of your own music preferably
You can't usually tell an open/closed design by looking at them.
sparkyhx said:
Stuff.
Feels like I'm arguing with you here which I don't want to do. Apologies if that's how I came across.I take it on ear are like 90's Walkman headphones?
I'm struggling a bit to try any in ear headphones out (hygiene reasons are stated, quite understandably) so I'm just relying on user experience.
I think I'd like to go in ear as when out and about I tend to feel a bit of a knob wearing over ears.
Edited by justanother5tar on Wednesday 8th July 12:18
justanother5tar said:
sparkyhx said:
Stuff.
Feels like I'm arguing with you here which I don't want to do. Apologies if that's how I came across.I take it on ear are like 90's Walkman headphones?
I'm struggling a bit to try any in ear headphones out (hygiene reasons are stated, quite understandably) so I'm just relying on user experience.
I think I'd like to go in ear as when out and about I tend to feel a bit of a knob wearing over ears.
Edited by justanother5tar on Wednesday 8th July 12:18
On ear - yes 80's walkman, but they vary from that kind of size to ones where you can't see much of the ear, but they still sit on the ear.
I know what you mean about wearing 'big' headphones. Big headphones are not a big deal here in London, its pretty normal these days, but in the sticks its rarer and therfore you stand out more.
Trying in ear is going to be a problem unless you have some nice friends. dropping >£100 on something you might not like is a bit of a leap in the dark.
But as I've said most in te price bracket you are looking at will be pretty good (beats excluded
) and will do most music justice. However I'm worried they may not meet your preferences when it comes to dub step and the like.Most music reproduction is a game of deminishing returns, there is definitely a point where everyone goes from F*ck me thats brilliant, to 'i can't hear any difference' and that point will depend on the person, the source, the bit rate. Its a matter of finding your own sweet spot. Mine is around the £350 mark, but there is no way i'm spending that to drag them round london, on my head or in a bag and risk getting them damaged/nicked. the sennheisers are good, repairable, and they're ugly as sin and probably go under the radar of most teenage muggers.
sparkyhx said:
Trying in ear is going to be a problem unless you have some nice friends. dropping >£100 on something you might not like is a bit of a leap in the dark.
But as I've said most in te price bracket you are looking at will be pretty good (beats excluded ) and will do most music justice. However I'm worried they may not meet your preferences when it comes to dub step and the like.
I find in ears super comfy, if they have the right size of silicone buds available. Most friends use Apple headphones, so thats out. But as I've said most in te price bracket you are looking at will be pretty good (beats excluded
) and will do most music justice. However I'm worried they may not meet your preferences when it comes to dub step and the like.I listen to more metal etc than I do electronic music anyway, so thats not too much of a concern.
I think ill just take a stab in the dark and order some of those CX5.00s.
No personal experience but these get good reviews:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00FZHCR04?coli...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00PK2LJ4E?keyw...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00FZHCR04?coli...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00PK2LJ4E?keyw...
Of the ones i've owned:
soundmagic E10s - wasn't impressed with sound quality; quite uncomfortable for me
sony XBA H1s - awesome all round
Audio Technica ATH-ANC33iS - sound quality not great and too bass heavy imo but sound cancelling is good for travelling
allesandro MS1s - sound great but open backed so leak a lot of sound
sennheiser CX300 - good all rounders but i found the build quality shoddy - i keep buying them as they're always cheap in airports etc but i must have been through about 10 pairs now.
beyerdyamic DT880s - awesome
AKG K701s - probably my favourite - not bass heavy though!
If i was you i'd buy the sonys or beyerdynamics online; if you don't like them just return them and say so. Shouldn't be a problem unless they specifically state non-refundable.
soundmagic E10s - wasn't impressed with sound quality; quite uncomfortable for me
sony XBA H1s - awesome all round
Audio Technica ATH-ANC33iS - sound quality not great and too bass heavy imo but sound cancelling is good for travelling
allesandro MS1s - sound great but open backed so leak a lot of sound
sennheiser CX300 - good all rounders but i found the build quality shoddy - i keep buying them as they're always cheap in airports etc but i must have been through about 10 pairs now.
beyerdyamic DT880s - awesome
AKG K701s - probably my favourite - not bass heavy though!
If i was you i'd buy the sonys or beyerdynamics online; if you don't like them just return them and say so. Shouldn't be a problem unless they specifically state non-refundable.
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