HDMI Ethernet Question

[anonymous-user]

I'm going to start first fix on a new house in the next month or so and am working through the AV options.

I am going to have a smart TV and was considering either wireless connection or Ethernet (still to be decided).

However, today I learnt about HDMI Ethernet which will take an ethernet signal to the TV via the HDMI cable. IF this works it would be such a simple way to get internet access to the TV.

So the question is - does it work? Also, which TVs and Amps support this technology. Is it a standard I need to look for?

Thanks.

[bigdom]

Another option is Ethernet over power, simple, and work well.

[davepoth]

If you're doing first fix then it's the right time to wire the place with Cat5e everywhere, in conduits. You can also do HDMI over Ethernet, and I reckon it would be more versatile.

[Oakey]

garyhun said:

I'm going to start first fix on a new house in the next month or so and am working through the AV options.

I am going to have a smart TV and was considering either wireless connection or Ethernet (still to be decided).

However, today I learnt about HDMI Ethernet which will take an ethernet signal to the TV via the HDMI cable. IF this works it would be such a simple way to get internet access to the TV.

So the question is - does it work? Also, which TVs and Amps support this technology. Is it a standard I need to look for?

Thanks.

I'm not convinced this is what you think it is

[anonymous-user]

Oakey said:

I'm not convinced this is what you think it is

I was under the impression that if you had an AV Amp connected to the Internet you could then pass that Internet access to the TV via HEC.

If that's not correct then please enlighten me.

[Monty Python]

garyhun said:

I was under the impression that if you had an AV Amp connected to the Internet you could then pass that Internet access to the TV via HEC.

If that's not correct then please enlighten me.

Only equipment that supports HDMI 1.4 and has the Ethernet option enabled.

[Oakey]

garyhun said:

I was under the impression that if you had an AV Amp connected to the Internet you could then pass that Internet access to the TV via HEC.

If that's not correct then please enlighten me.

No, maybe you're right. I was just surprised a TV would accept internet data over HDMI

[anonymous-user]

Monty Python said:

Only equipment that supports HDMI 1.4 and has the Ethernet option enabled.

I understand that. Seems that finding such equipment may be the challenge.

[Monty Python]

garyhun said:

I understand that. Seems that finding such equipment may be the challenge.

At the moment I don't think there is any.

[anonymous-user]

Monty Python said:

garyhun said:

I understand that. Seems that finding such equipment may be the challenge.

At the moment I don't think there is any.

You may well be right.

[Berz]

HEC seems to be a solution to a particular problem - people who can't put in a proper network for one reason or another. You don't have that problem if you're at first fix.

However, most new branded HDMI cables I've seen also do HEC so at least if you do find a TV and kit later you will have the cables in place. In the meantime you can have normal cat 5e/6/7 which is pretty damn versatile.

[anonymous-user]

Berz said:

HEC seems to be a solution to a particular problem - people who can't put in a proper network for one reason or another. You don't have that problem if you're at first fix.

However, most new branded HDMI cables I've seen also do HEC so at least if you do find a TV and kit later you will have the cables in place. In the meantime you can have normal cat 5e/6/7 which is pretty damn versatile.

I think you are right. It just seemed a very elegant solution.

To be honest, all smart TVs have WiFi anyway these days so even without the Cat 5/6/7 possibility there is a solution even if it's not the best solution.

[eliot]

IMO Wifi is for portable devices only. I hardwire everything with Ethernet wherever possible - less fuss, always works and is always fast.
All my TV points have 2xcat6 (if I was doing it again I would of run at least 3 if not 4; 2 x for hdmi extenders and 1 for smart tv) and in the living room I have 8 cat6 to future proof
I would suggest you consider cat6, takes a little more care with routing it etc - but it's substantially thicker than cat5e and less likely to cause problems on longer runs especially when running hdmi extenders.

Also do not make the mistake of buying cheap copper coated aluminium (CCA) cat 5 or 6 cable (or any cable for that matter, Satellite, CCTV, Alarms, Speakers etc) of ebay. Proper cat5e copper cable should be about £50 a box and cat6 will be around £90 a box. They always put "CCA" in little letters somewhere deep down in the advert.

[VEX]

Well you know what my answer would be don't you Gary!

But to answer your question, yes technically the higher HDMI standard (1.4 as mentioned here and above) has a spec for IP Network to be passed over the HDMI cable, but as your finding, I can't say I have actually seen hardware that specifically offers this.

Probably what is better is to look for stuff that has ARC (Audio Return Channel) so if you are streaming something directly to the screen the audio can be returned to the amp to get better / surround sound audio.

HTH

V,

[anonymous-user]

VEX said:

Well you know what my answer would be don't you Gary!

But to answer your question, yes technically the higher HDMI standard (1.4 as mentioned here and above) has a spec for IP Network to be passed over the HDMI cable, but as your finding, I can't say I have actually seen hardware that specifically offers this.

Probably what is better is to look for stuff that has ARC (Audio Return Channel) so if you are streaming something directly to the screen the audio can be returned to the amp to get better / surround sound audio.

HTH

V,

Yep

TBH I know the answer too but when you learn of some new tech it's good to check to see if it's really what it claims!!

BTW - I'll may be in market for some Monitor Audio CT265-IDC & CT265-FX as before on this if you are interested in supplying again?

[VEX]

I can help you out with anything in that domain Gary, just give me a shout and I'll let you know one way or the other.

V.