LG Flat 4k OLED TV...curved only?

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Ken Figenus said:

NO COMERADE! Stand up for your rights! I am super critical of displays and marketing (dynamic contrast type BS) (OMG the mess that is my parents absolute delight of a branded £350 32"LED Xmas present last year...ashamed ) most are pants... I bought a Kuro plasma years ago and it is still my reference monitor. It is amazing and every single day I amaze at it. I connect my camera after a day's HD shoot to it and I trust it to tell me what I got wrong!

OLED I have on my phone = superb :-)

Sadly not a Kuro but my Panasonic was probably the next best thing, convinced my parents in to a VT one just before they dropped it and that is fantastic, probably on par with the Kuro which really was ahead of its time when it came out. A shame Pioneer stopped producing them.

It annoys me a lot when friends and family buy TVs without consulting me first, and then asking me what I think etc, usually just smile and nod. However with the budget they have they can't usually get anything that amazing anyway. Hopefully Panasonic getting in to OLED will mean we see the brains behind their Plasma's putting out good products finally, as their current LCD line is just horrible. Saying that their all LG panels so it's just down to spec/accepted variances on the panels and software really.

It's a shame we aren't seeing any colour correct OLED monitors, would be good to see how they compare to the best IPS monitors.

[varsas]

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Ken Figenus said:

NO COMERADE! Stand up for your rights! I am super critical of displays and marketing (dynamic contrast type BS) (OMG the mess that is my parents absolute delight of a branded £350 32"LED Xmas present last year...ashamed ) most are pants... I bought a Kuro plasma years ago and it is still my reference monitor. It is amazing and every single day I amaze at it. I connect my camera after a day's HD shoot to it and I trust it to tell me what I got wrong!

OLED I have on my phone = superb :-)

Sadly not a Kuro but my Panasonic was probably the next best thing, convinced my parents in to a VT one just before they dropped it and that is fantastic, probably on par with the Kuro which really was ahead of its time when it came out. A shame Pioneer stopped producing them.

It annoys me a lot when friends and family buy TVs without consulting me first, and then asking me what I think etc, usually just smile and nod. However with the budget they have they can't usually get anything that amazing anyway. Hopefully Panasonic getting in to OLED will mean we see the brains behind their Plasma's putting out good products finally, as their current LCD line is just horrible. Saying that their all LG panels so it's just down to spec/accepted variances on the panels and software really.

It's a shame we aren't seeing any colour correct OLED monitors, would be good to see how they compare to the best IPS monitors.

We have some Sony Trimaster OLED screens at work for reference when editing. They're pretty good(!) and I would hope are calibrated pretty well. For what it's worth, I really like IPS type displays, Especially for environments where it isn't very dark. I use one at work as a monitor and am planning to buy one for home. IPS screens seem to be seen as second rate but I prefer them to VA.

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varsas said:

We have some Sony Trimaster OLED screens at work for reference when editing. They're pretty good(!) and I would hope are calibrated pretty well. For what it's worth, I really like IPS type displays, Especially for environments where it isn't very dark. I use one at work as a monitor and am planning to buy one for home. IPS screens seem to be seen as second rate but I prefer them to VA.

Yeah I know there's some reference OLED displays, I meant more consumer type. I use a BenQ IPS 32" 4k for my editing, it's probably not 100% accurate but close enough for what I'm doing, not bad value at around £600 if I remember right.

Would love to get in to the realm of working for more serious stuff, broadcast etc. I mainly do photography and video is just small projects where it's all me. Pretty lone gun with my work at the moment but wanting to get in to working as part of a team in the future.

[Ken Figenus]

Some good shots on your site Matt and I see you have a Ronin I just did a review of the Ronin gimbal for an industry mag and love it in 4 minute chunks! Black Friday just got me the EF 16-35 L with IS under £600. The IS will remove the up down/steps I hope and it should be even more fabulous

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Ken Figenus said:

Some good shots on your site Matt and I see you have a Ronin I just did a review of the Ronin gimbal for an industry mag and love it in 4 minute chunks! Black Friday just got me the EF 16-35 L with IS under £600. The IS will remove the up down/steps I hope and it should be even more fabulous

Cheers Ken. Yeah Ronin-M, makes video a lot more like photo to shoot, more fluid and natural, less setup time.

16-35 f4 IS is a brilliant lens, had it since the start of the year, the two paired are very good together, but you still need to try and regulate your up/down movement as much as possible. 5d3 is already limiting video slightly though, nice to be able to shoot 60p for smoother motion or slowing down but I can't decide if it's worth not having 1080 for.

Sadly I don't think I'll ever be at the point of getting a dedicated video camera such as yours. Sony are becoming pretty tempting though! Just want the system to mature a little more, think an A7R iii could be the one for me.

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Ken Figenus said:

Some good shots on your site Matt and I see you have a Ronin I just did a review of the Ronin gimbal for an industry mag and love it in 4 minute chunks! Black Friday just got me the EF 16-35 L with IS under £600. The IS will remove the up down/steps I hope and it should be even more fabulous

Out of interest, is the gimbal stabilised?

The reason I ask is that in the dim and distant past we've seen some resonance type effects with a stabilised lens on a stabilised platform. It looked at the time like the stabilised lens was trying to counteract the stabilised platform, I shall try and explain.

It was years ago mind, on the rowing in Athens, 2004. We'd got a 1000mm stabilised Canon on a Stab-C open architecture gimbal (might be slightly wrong on the details). I don't know if you know much about stabilisation (I don't before you ask), but essentially they detect the displacement of the gimbal, and then provide a 'correction' to counter that. The very best ones do it at extremely high speed, so fast that the camera can't detect the movement.

The snag we had was twofold: firstly we were using a high-speed camera, secondly the lens was really too big for the gimbal.
What appeared to be happening was that the gimbal was at the limit of what it could cope with, and was not fully stabilising the lens. The internal stabilisation of the lens was trying to counteract this and the whole thing began resonating. It wasn't too bad really, but when played back at 1/3 speed (or whatever it was), it looked awful.

Turning off the lens IS helped a bit, but to fix it we ended up bringing in a much bigger system from the US. At the time it was the only one in the world, insured for £1 million apparently .

I'm massively impressed with how quickly stabilised platforms have become cheap and reasonably good. It's not that long ago where a single fibre optic gyro would cost £10k on it's own (they probably still do to be fair, they're the same ones used in guided missiles), but with the advent of cheap and relatively good sensors used in phones, and thus produced by the million, it's enabled 2-3 axis stabilised gimbals to be made relatively cheaply. Obviously the proper ones used on helicopters and the like are still a fortune, but most of us can't afford those.

Sorry everyone for the completely off topic post .

[Ken Figenus]

If you don't support the end of the lens on the Ronin it may well start resonating and juddering! I just about get away with My Samyang 14mm prime, but anything longer and I need to clip the support bracket on (which may interfere with focusing)! So yes I can see a fist fight between a stabilised gimbal and IS is well possible in some circumstances!

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I've never used the lens support with my 16-35 as it's so wide that along with the IS it's not an issue. I can imagine with a longer lens it is. Was recently using my 24-70 on it and at 70 I was getting some shudder on certain actions, but that might also be because I wasn't rebalancing when zooming in/out just using a general balance in the middle.

I'm still learning and practising so it's something I'll look in to, always trying to hone and improve.

[Zingari]

FWIW I bought the LG 55EC930V a few months back and was never convinced on the curve hype. Whilst this does have a curve it is not as deep as what other manufacturers offer and doesn't distort vision etc. It was on offer and is not 4K, but access to 4K is very limited (even BBC North West dont even offer a HD service yet!) and years away from mainstream but the 1080p picture it produces from a HD source is the dogs gonads.

I went in intending to spend £1k on a Panasonic and came out with the LG and £1700 lighter.

A word of advice, given the resolution and clarity of these sets I've gone right off Carol Kirkwood!