55" OLED or 65" LED TV...
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It's also £1999 in John Lewis.
The Samsung 55 K8000 (flat screen version of the K9000) is now down to £1549!
I was looking at both today and would be happy with either but am going to wait another 6-12 months as I've currently got a perfectly good TV (if a tad smaller than I want) and want to see where prices and the tech goes.
Some great bargains out there though if you're ready to buy.
The Samsung 55 K8000 (flat screen version of the K9000) is now down to £1549!
I was looking at both today and would be happy with either but am going to wait another 6-12 months as I've currently got a perfectly good TV (if a tad smaller than I want) and want to see where prices and the tech goes.
Some great bargains out there though if you're ready to buy.
varsas said:
I have the Samsung and it's fine, I own around 5 UHD films which I have watched a couple of times each. The problems I had were caused my me looking at forums after I'd started using it and switching to the recommended settings (instead of just leaving it all on auto), also I did find my older HDMI cables didn't work correctly (picture would blank out every now and again), luckily I had an amazon basics 'Hi-speed' one which fixed that.
2 people gave it 1 star, one because it did not include the Martian, and one because their player was DOA. The two star review had the same issues I was having (banding, blocks of colours etc), with the same TV I have, fixed in my case by leaving the settings on default instead of playing with them(!)
Not trying to say it's the best player ever, or that people have not had issues, but if you just want to watch 4k blu-ray's it's fine. You'll find something cheaper and better in 6 months time.
Thanks for the clarification 2 people gave it 1 star, one because it did not include the Martian, and one because their player was DOA. The two star review had the same issues I was having (banding, blocks of colours etc), with the same TV I have, fixed in my case by leaving the settings on default instead of playing with them(!)
Not trying to say it's the best player ever, or that people have not had issues, but if you just want to watch 4k blu-ray's it's fine. You'll find something cheaper and better in 6 months time.
Edited by varsas on Friday 4th November 14:07
I ended up ordering the new Panasonic DMP-UB700EBK player, which should arrive today. It will be interesting to see if there's any significant difference between a standard and 4k HDR BR.
Popped into an independant electrical store to check out what's happening in the world of large TV's ahead of needing a few for a new build house. I'm a bit out of the loop on what's the best option & having asked the question the guy there was very anti OLED stating a 70% failure rate out the factory, issues with brightness, blues only lasting 5 years etc etc.
As such he pointed me onto a Sony XD93 65in & XD94 75in, any thoughts on the qualities of those at all?
As such he pointed me onto a Sony XD93 65in & XD94 75in, any thoughts on the qualities of those at all?
dsl2 said:
Popped into an independant electrical store to check out what's happening in the world of large TV's ahead of needing a few for a new build house. I'm a bit out of the loop on what's the best option & having asked the question the guy there was very anti OLED stating a 70% failure rate out the factory, issues with brightness, blues only lasting 5 years etc etc.
As such he pointed me onto a Sony XD93 65in & XD94 75in, any thoughts on the qualities of those at all?
Probably the same bloke who told everyone Plasma sets needed re-gassing every 3 years at £15 per pixel all those years ago.As such he pointed me onto a Sony XD93 65in & XD94 75in, any thoughts on the qualities of those at all?
Those Sony LCD sets look fine and 75" can give an epic experience if you have the room - just avoid visiting friends with G-series LG OLEDs in future (should be easy when 70% are going to fail)...
dsl2 said:
Popped into an independant electrical store to check out what's happening in the world of large TV's ahead of needing a few for a new build house. I'm a bit out of the loop on what's the best option & having asked the question the guy there was very anti OLED stating a 70% failure rate out the factory, issues with brightness, blues only lasting 5 years etc etc.
As such he pointed me onto a Sony XD93 65in & XD94 75in, any thoughts on the qualities of those at all?
I would look at a new store. Prick. As such he pointed me onto a Sony XD93 65in & XD94 75in, any thoughts on the qualities of those at all?
XD93/4 are OK, newer version of my W905.
But it is the ZD9 that is the OLED equivalent, and still no where near as good.
OLED was roughly twice the price of the same size high end LCD at the start of the year, £1500 for a KS8000 vs £2800 for the 55B6 OLED, the gap is now around £300, you would have to be a little bit dim to not pay the extra now imho.
The only time the LCD might make more sense is if you have it in a seriously bright room, like a conservatory. But even then, I bet most TV viewing is done when the sun is not bathing the screen at midday, even during the summer.
The only time the LCD might make more sense is if you have it in a seriously bright room, like a conservatory. But even then, I bet most TV viewing is done when the sun is not bathing the screen at midday, even during the summer.
I'm really struggling with OLED. Most reviews I read say it's great BUT still in its infancy and that the top end LCD sets from Samsung are just as good depending on what your priorities are.
In store, I see a fabulous picture on both OLED and non OLED - certainly not a difference that makes me have to have OLED.
So is it really time for OLED or is it a bit more of a fashionable thing right now to go that route?
I'm not trying to start an argument - I'm just reading stuff and using me eyes that makes me unsure.
In store, I see a fabulous picture on both OLED and non OLED - certainly not a difference that makes me have to have OLED.
So is it really time for OLED or is it a bit more of a fashionable thing right now to go that route?
I'm not trying to start an argument - I'm just reading stuff and using me eyes that makes me unsure.
Not sure about LED TV's, I skipped those altogether. I went from plasma to OLED. I was going to get (and really wanted) a 65" LED TV to begin with, but after seeing the OLED display in Richer Sounds, I knew I had to sacrifice the 65 for a 55".
I have now set up my 4k HDR BR player, very nice (just one half metre HDMI lead from player to AV amp). Although, if I am honest, the Blu Rays do not look any better than my MKV BR files on my HD's. The 4k HDR BR of Oblivion does look (and sound) very nice, though.
I have now set up my 4k HDR BR player, very nice (just one half metre HDMI lead from player to AV amp). Although, if I am honest, the Blu Rays do not look any better than my MKV BR files on my HD's. The 4k HDR BR of Oblivion does look (and sound) very nice, though.
garyhun said:
I'm really struggling with OLED. Most reviews I read say it's great BUT still in its infancy and that the top end LCD sets from Samsung are just as good depending on what your priorities are.
In store, I see a fabulous picture on both OLED and non OLED - certainly not a difference that makes me have to have OLED.
So is it really time for OLED or is it a bit more of a fashionable thing right now to go that route?
I'm not trying to start an argument - I'm just reading stuff and using me eyes that makes me unsure.
It is still in its infancy, but, in 3 years it has beaten LCD and Plasma already. In store, I see a fabulous picture on both OLED and non OLED - certainly not a difference that makes me have to have OLED.
So is it really time for OLED or is it a bit more of a fashionable thing right now to go that route?
I'm not trying to start an argument - I'm just reading stuff and using me eyes that makes me unsure.
I have not seen a single review that says that the top end sets from Samsung and Sony etc. are just as good, some have said that they have more 'wow factor' with HDR material, but overall they all say that OLED is better.
In store is not the best place to view though, none will be calibrated (even basically) they will be at settings to look good under shop lighting. If you got it home you would think those settings horrible, then when you start to calibrate you see just how much better OLED is.
When OLED prices fall and they start to make 40" screens etc. LCD will disappear. There will be no point, you will still get cheap LCD sets, but none of the top end sets will be LCD.
It is hardly a fashion thing, it is quite simply a much better tech. It is like the very best CRT but much higher resolutions and screen sizes available.
I am not a fan boy of any tech or brand, and I still own a Sony W905 local dimming LCD (after years of Panny professional and Pioneer Kuro Plasmas) but the KS8000/9000 that gets all the reviews I had recently, it is an average TV at best imho my old Sony looked better for 90% of viewing. It went back.
The OLED is on a completely different level image wise, but I do have a concern with daytime viewing as I have a 7m wide south facing window, but think for the amount of time this is ever an issue it is worth making the jump.
I swapped the Pioneer Kuro for the Sony because the Pioneer simply wasn't bright enough, but it is a compromise, and that is what anything other than an OLED is now imho.
The Sony ZD9 is a good LCD set, but viewing angles are still iffy, no 55" version starts at 65" and is £4000 which is getting more expensive than OLED.
Plus sat next to an E6 LG OLED you can see it doesn't look as good, the very tech that is LCD has limitations that can never be got around. So does OLED of course, but the limitations of OLED don't really effect image.
Daytime viewing is not really a problem, no better or worse than the plasma we had before. The TV is wall mounted and adjacent to French doors and windows. Obviously, when the sun is shining directly through the windows there is glare and reflection, but there would be no matter what type of screen we have. I just close the one set of curtains. Also the viewing angles are as good as our old plasma TV, no idea what LED's are like for this.
chris watton said:
Daytime viewing is not really a problem, no better or worse than the plasma we had before. The TV is wall mounted and adjacent to French doors and windows. Obviously, when the sun is shining directly through the windows there is glare and reflection, but there would be no matter what type of screen we have. I just close the one set of curtains. Also the viewing angles are as good as our old plasma TV, no idea what LED's are like for this.
Viewing angles on LCD are s
t! The KS8000 was no better, he sofa is directly in front of the set, about 9' away, and if you sit on either end of the sofa you can see the colours change and the black levels lift making everything look washed out. This is with a sofa head on!
I wasn't talking about reflections, all screens will get this, I meant my Pioneer and Panny plasmas simply weren't bright enough to over come the room, you just couldn't see what was on screen on anything but the brightest of scenes.
99% of people will never have this issue, and it is the only time I can think you might go LCD instead of OLED.
99% of people will never have this issue, and it is the only time I can think you might go LCD instead of OLED.
gizlaroc said:
I wasn't talking about reflections, all screens will get this, I meant my Pioneer and Panny plasmas simply weren't bright enough to over come the room, you just couldn't see what was on screen on anything but the brightest of scenes.
99% of people will never have this issue, and it is the only time I can think you might go LCD instead of OLED.
AH, OK, I see. Well, in that case, it's your fault for owning a mansion! 99% of people will never have this issue, and it is the only time I can think you might go LCD instead of OLED.
chris watton said:
I ended up ordering the new Panasonic DMP-UB700EBK player, which should arrive today. It will be interesting to see if there's any significant difference between a standard and 4k HDR BR.
Interested to hear your opinion. My first thought are here:http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
and my mind hasn't changed much, except that I have begun to realise that 'The Revenant' is exceptional, it really is like watching one of those demo loops, but that most UHD BluRay's around at the moment, at least the ones I have, can't hold a candle to it and are only subtly better than the BluRay. I hope this will improve.
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