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jmorgan said:
Thinking about it, one or twi scenes in Marco Polo do it yet there are more challenging scenes for a compression method either side of that scene. I still put it down to to the supply, 1080p off a disk is flawless.
Speaking of which, where are the 4k player deals? Damn their eyes. Oppo looks like a potential, Sony looks like it is going to release something that is going to be very pricy but that is next year. Might have to be the Pannasonic.
This Panasonic 4k player is now down to £330, I paid £400 only three weeks' ago!Speaking of which, where are the 4k player deals? Damn their eyes. Oppo looks like a potential, Sony looks like it is going to release something that is going to be very pricy but that is next year. Might have to be the Pannasonic.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01M0UAMTG/ref=wl_it_d...
chris watton said:
This Panasonic 4k player is now down to £330, I paid £400 only three weeks' ago!
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01M0UAMTG/ref=wl_it_d...
That is good. Need to run down a comparison between the players, that is that one and its big brother.https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01M0UAMTG/ref=wl_it_d...
Problem is I want to get something with a few more bells and whistles but they ain't coming.
gizlaroc said:
OK, seems that Amazon and Netflix send 24p over as 60hz, so it is in the signal.
As you have found though, you can try and hide it with settings on the TV.
I am surprised about this to be honest, I need to do some more digging.
Have you got True Cinema turned on?
Real cinema is already on (in fact it's greyed out so must be forced on by some other setting)As you have found though, you can try and hide it with settings on the TV.
I am surprised about this to be honest, I need to do some more digging.
Have you got True Cinema turned on?
davek_964 said:
Real cinema is already on (in fact it's greyed out so must be forced on by some other setting)
I looked at that Narcos clip on mine and Real Cinema didn't make any difference I could see.Anti judder set to 4 or 5 seems to do the trick.
I don't think you can properly judge 4k performance on these TVs unless your source is a UHD BD, or something else uncompressed. TBH I was pleasantly surprised by the quality Netflix delivers as my expectations weren't high.
Just took delivery of Avatar, The Fall, The Hateful Eight and Samsara on BD, so we're going to have a busy Christmas.
jmorgan said:
Thinking about it, one or twi scenes in Marco Polo do it yet there are more challenging scenes for a compression method either side of that scene. I still put it down to to the supply, 1080p off a disk is flawless.
Speaking of which, where are the 4k player deals? Damn their eyes. Oppo looks like a potential, Sony looks like it is going to release something that is going to be very pricy but that is next year. Might have to be the Pannasonic.
The Samsung (UBD-8500) is a bargain at the moment - a few places doing it for £199 including three UHD discs (Revenant, Martian and another I forget !)Speaking of which, where are the 4k player deals? Damn their eyes. Oppo looks like a potential, Sony looks like it is going to release something that is going to be very pricy but that is next year. Might have to be the Pannasonic.
None of the issues that Panasonic seem to have with certain TVs where it outputs 12 bit which some 10 bit panels have real issues with.
It's never going to match oppo build quality but I suspect it will look equally as good playing 4K discs and is at least a third of the price.
legzr1 said:
jmorgan said:
Thinking about it, one or twi scenes in Marco Polo do it yet there are more challenging scenes for a compression method either side of that scene. I still put it down to to the supply, 1080p off a disk is flawless.
Speaking of which, where are the 4k player deals? Damn their eyes. Oppo looks like a potential, Sony looks like it is going to release something that is going to be very pricy but that is next year. Might have to be the Pannasonic.
The Samsung (UBD-8500) is a bargain at the moment - a few places doing it for £199 including three UHD discs (Revenant, Martian and another I forget !)Speaking of which, where are the 4k player deals? Damn their eyes. Oppo looks like a potential, Sony looks like it is going to release something that is going to be very pricy but that is next year. Might have to be the Pannasonic.
None of the issues that Panasonic seem to have with certain TVs where it outputs 12 bit which some 10 bit panels have real issues with.
It's never going to match oppo build quality but I suspect it will look equally as good playing 4K discs and is at least a third of the price.
Edit. I will have one before xmas I hope.
Edit 2. Damn. Just re reading the blurb on the Sony one, going to be hard to get for average joe. Available through installers only?
Edited by jmorgan on Saturday 26th November 19:02
From what I've read opinion is divided. What most agree on is image quality is excellent with both while sound quality goes to the Panny (according the whathifi? They don't appear to explain how the same digital data stream, taken from the same disc and processed off board is capable of sounding inferior/superior - this is the same mag that promotes £300 HDMI and £500 power leads so maybe they hear something I don't....).
Unless you need the 7.1 analogue outputs fitted to the Panasonic, the Samsung seems a smart move at £199 + £70 worth of discs.
The oppo will be for purists and snobs without offering anything earth shattering while the Sony will be quirky and over-priced - you read it here first
Unless you need the 7.1 analogue outputs fitted to the Panasonic, the Samsung seems a smart move at £199 + £70 worth of discs.
The oppo will be for purists and snobs without offering anything earth shattering while the Sony will be quirky and over-priced - you read it here first
I was hoping for a few more. The Sony, on re looking seems it is going to be a "special" one and Oppo, re reading some press releases and looking at other stuff, I fear you are right. And I buy HDMI leads for £4.
Need to review the reviews, picture quality and doing me right by HDR is my main concern, I need a new amp as well but that is for later. 435 on amazon for the UB900?
I feel an afternoon of reviewing reviews and spending some loot followed by a good dinner.
Need to review the reviews, picture quality and doing me right by HDR is my main concern, I need a new amp as well but that is for later. 435 on amazon for the UB900?
I feel an afternoon of reviewing reviews and spending some loot followed by a good dinner.
Oh, I get what you're saying - click buy and repent at leisure etc 
I've seen both in operation (all be it in those fabulously large, bright and noisy stores) and the honest answer is I'd be happy with either.
I was happy that Netflix 4K on the oled matches some of my best BR discs and betters most of them and I'm happy that either the Panny or Samsung moves things on.
7.1 HD from either is also excellent even though I'm happy sticking with 5.1 (family harmony and all that plus the budget went on better stuff rather than spreading it thinner - my pro does 11.2, power amp is 8 channel but I do t want another collection of boxes handing off walls or in ceilings in the case of Atmos).
I am surprised at the relative lack of interest from the big players in UHD disc players - perhaps it's still a developing technology and talk of DV implementation must still be giving developers sleepless nights but we've seen it all before with BR -vs- DVD HD and SACD -vs- DVD-A in the audio world.
What makes this a lot easier in my opinion is cost - get the Samsung player, use it, find better so upgrade - keep the films and you've 'lost' £200 minus discs minus what you'd get for it on eBay.
Do that with SACD players (I did
) and you can add a zero to the numbers.
My first BR player was a Pioneer LX-70 - £900 new - I got or for £150 + my £900 Toshiba SD900e DVD-A player!
Just to put things into perspective naturally
I'm going to get the Samsung now, delivery midweek and I'll let you know how it looks and sounds (the lack of display looks strange but to be fair I can't read the display from where I sit anyway ).
Warts and all
By the way, I'm a Panasonic fan and have been for decades, still got one of their plasmas in the spare room with matching BR player and another Pannie BR player in lounge feeding LG OLED - the LG has shown me there are others in the game now.
Have fun and let us know what you choose.
Sonic Direct and RGB are doing the 8500 + 3 discs for £199 - SD charging £7 for delivery, RGB is free and apparently JL are price matching them (without discs I assume). There's a Currys a few miles away - I might pop down before ordering to see what they can offer - the swines have had thousands off me over the years so I expect £280 and a 'free' £190 HDMI cable....
I've seen both in operation (all be it in those fabulously large, bright and noisy stores) and the honest answer is I'd be happy with either.
I was happy that Netflix 4K on the oled matches some of my best BR discs and betters most of them and I'm happy that either the Panny or Samsung moves things on.
7.1 HD from either is also excellent even though I'm happy sticking with 5.1 (family harmony and all that plus the budget went on better stuff rather than spreading it thinner - my pro does 11.2, power amp is 8 channel but I do t want another collection of boxes handing off walls or in ceilings in the case of Atmos).
I am surprised at the relative lack of interest from the big players in UHD disc players - perhaps it's still a developing technology and talk of DV implementation must still be giving developers sleepless nights but we've seen it all before with BR -vs- DVD HD and SACD -vs- DVD-A in the audio world.
What makes this a lot easier in my opinion is cost - get the Samsung player, use it, find better so upgrade - keep the films and you've 'lost' £200 minus discs minus what you'd get for it on eBay.
Do that with SACD players (I did
) and you can add a zero to the numbers.My first BR player was a Pioneer LX-70 - £900 new - I got or for £150 + my £900 Toshiba SD900e DVD-A player!
Just to put things into perspective naturally
I'm going to get the Samsung now, delivery midweek and I'll let you know how it looks and sounds (the lack of display looks strange but to be fair I can't read the display from where I sit anyway ).
Warts and all
By the way, I'm a Panasonic fan and have been for decades, still got one of their plasmas in the spare room with matching BR player and another Pannie BR player in lounge feeding LG OLED - the LG has shown me there are others in the game now.
Have fun and let us know what you choose.
Sonic Direct and RGB are doing the 8500 + 3 discs for £199 - SD charging £7 for delivery, RGB is free and apparently JL are price matching them (without discs I assume). There's a Currys a few miles away - I might pop down before ordering to see what they can offer - the swines have had thousands off me over the years so I expect £280 and a 'free' £190 HDMI cable....
Have the Panasonic DMR-BWT720 and like what it does. Good solid bit of kit even if it is a few years old now. But we bought that thinking we would burn stuff once recorded but in all honesty, hardly anything has been done in that line. However its sterling service sort of promotes its successors. However, reading on AV forums that the picture quality is negligible in difference between the two.
With regards the delay, I wonder how much is down to waiting for Dolby and what they will cost in at for the various offerings. On mine, HDR10 will do and Netflix on the Samsung or Panasonic, need to make sure their apps do HDR seeing as LG and Netflix native app have fubared the 950 in this respect.
With regards the delay, I wonder how much is down to waiting for Dolby and what they will cost in at for the various offerings. On mine, HDR10 will do and Netflix on the Samsung or Panasonic, need to make sure their apps do HDR seeing as LG and Netflix native app have fubared the 950 in this respect.
These are the HDMI cables I bought to go with my new TV, AV amp and 4K BR player, and all works great:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01CVQHVDY/ref...
You do not need to buy an £80 HDMI lead..
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01CVQHVDY/ref...
You do not need to buy an £80 HDMI lead..
Edited by chris watton on Sunday 27th November 13:58
Cheers, sorted anyway. The leads I have came in at £4-5 and were specced for 4k. The feed from my BT box to TV for UHD sport is fine.
Got mine from a link that was in AV forums.
Without some serious measuring gear on the end looking at some stress pathological patterns, if it works, it is good enough for me.
Got mine from a link that was in AV forums.
Without some serious measuring gear on the end looking at some stress pathological patterns, if it works, it is good enough for me.
OK I'm bumping this thread.
I was about to pull the trigger on a 55" LG OLED 4K TV for £1,899...... that is until I saw it side-by-side with a Samsung 7000 series LCD TV. I could get a bigger 60" Samsung KS7000 for £1,199.
Prior to seeing them side-by-side, I was prepared to pay the £700 price premium for a smaller OLED TV, just because they looked so good sitting by themselves. But side-by-side, I thought the LG OLED looked a bit dim and the whites looked a bit grey like dirty snow.
Is this just showroom settings and it will look better at home?
I was about to pull the trigger on a 55" LG OLED 4K TV for £1,899...... that is until I saw it side-by-side with a Samsung 7000 series LCD TV. I could get a bigger 60" Samsung KS7000 for £1,199.
Prior to seeing them side-by-side, I was prepared to pay the £700 price premium for a smaller OLED TV, just because they looked so good sitting by themselves. But side-by-side, I thought the LG OLED looked a bit dim and the whites looked a bit grey like dirty snow.
Is this just showroom settings and it will look better at home?
creampuff said:
OK I'm bumping this thread.
I was about to pull the trigger on a 55" LG OLED 4K TV for £1,899...... that is until I saw it side-by-side with a Samsung 7000 series LCD TV. I could get a bigger 60" Samsung KS7000 for £1,199.
Prior to seeing them side-by-side, I was prepared to pay the £700 price premium for a smaller OLED TV, just because they looked so good sitting by themselves. But side-by-side, I thought the LG OLED looked a bit dim and the whites looked a bit grey like dirty snow.
Is this just showroom settings and it will look better at home?
It's a loaded question unfortunately.I was about to pull the trigger on a 55" LG OLED 4K TV for £1,899...... that is until I saw it side-by-side with a Samsung 7000 series LCD TV. I could get a bigger 60" Samsung KS7000 for £1,199.
Prior to seeing them side-by-side, I was prepared to pay the £700 price premium for a smaller OLED TV, just because they looked so good sitting by themselves. But side-by-side, I thought the LG OLED looked a bit dim and the whites looked a bit grey like dirty snow.
Is this just showroom settings and it will look better at home?
I know I would be very happy with the Samsung but many on here would not. At the end of the day only you can decide.
I got the 60KS7000, it's a great TV.
The OLED TV looked super impressive with some of the demo vids but seeing them play movies side by side, I wasn't won over. Some of the details in the shadows seem to have been lost, but that could just be the settings. Not worth double the money IMO (if you're comparing a like for like 55in set).
I'd pocket the £700 and put that towards an OLED TV when the technology takes off!
The OLED TV looked super impressive with some of the demo vids but seeing them play movies side by side, I wasn't won over. Some of the details in the shadows seem to have been lost, but that could just be the settings. Not worth double the money IMO (if you're comparing a like for like 55in set).
I'd pocket the £700 and put that towards an OLED TV when the technology takes off!
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