55" OLED or 65" LED TV...
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legzr1 said:
FurtiveFreddy said:
5.1 Audio all set up. 'The Revenant' in the UHD player. Just got to make some salted caramel popcorn and we're all set.
One thing I wasn't sure about was whether deep color should be enabled on my LG B6. It detects the player and turns it on automatically, even though deep color is disabled in the 8500. Anyone know what's best for using these two together?
As far as I know deep colour isn't necessary for UHD although some TVs need it 'on' to activate HDR. Here"s a link to other tips for the 8500:One thing I wasn't sure about was whether deep color should be enabled on my LG B6. It detects the player and turns it on automatically, even though deep color is disabled in the 8500. Anyone know what's best for using these two together?
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/audio/SamsungUBD-K8500_...
varsas said:
Against all advice, I have to have deep colour on on my EF950V OLED for HDR to work properly, otherwise I get obvious banding of colours. The scene from Sicario with all the sand being blown about is the most obvious example. Switching deep colour on or off on the BluRay player (I have the Samsung) makes no obvious difference. And yes, Revenant looks clearly better than any of my other discs.
After watching it on Saturday with deep colour supposedly enabled on the TV but not on the player, I can't say I noticed anything untoward. I've now got the same brightness, contrast, colour, tint and oled setting from all inputs and the TV switches automatically into HDR or Dolby Vision when it detects one of those, so I'm relatively happy it's all working as it should now. gizlaroc said:
HaiKarate said:
And I'm not buying into this HDR with 10 bit 1 Billion colour nonsense. I'm more than happy with my 8 bit 16.8 million. I'm sure I'll get by.
I wouldn't call HDR a nonsense. Probably the biggest advance in image quality since the jump from SD to HD. I wish that it wasn't part of the 4K spec myself, I would be happy with a 1080p set that does HDR in a 50" screen.
We are going to start seeing HDR broadcasts come in at a fair old rate over the next 12-18 months. They will start to use it more to make everything seem more lifelike rather than to show off what it is capable of too.
HDR done well is truly, truly breathtaking, never have images looked so lifelike on screen before, it is graduation between colours where HDR excels, not the amount of colours it can cover. This is what makes someones face look like you are watching them through a window rather than on a screen, we have never been able to get such realistic images on screen before HDR.
As you say, HDR makes a massive difference to PQ.
The Martian... I've watched this film previously in 1080p and 4K (SKY UHD), and the level of detail and depth of colour with HDR is simply amazing. Adds another level of depth to the picture.
But it also makes older films look better too - I watched Independence Day yesterday afternoon. Not a great film, but interested to see what it looks like. The original material means it's not got the detail of the newer film, but there were a good number of scenes that looked very impressive... colour and brightness in particular, but also the level of contrast seems much higher.
Looking forward to seeing what The Revenant looks like in HDR as all reports say it's one of the best visually. But I need to be in the right mood to watch that film again - it's pretty heavy going at times!
Interestingly, with HDR content, my backlight level and contrast automatically set themselves to maximum - which would cause all sorts of horrible backlight issues with normal content (BR/Sky) - my 'normal' backlight setting is 9/20, contrast at 88/100. But with HDR content, dark scenes are significantly better, even at the max.
Chris Stott said:
Interestingly, with HDR content, my backlight level and contrast automatically set themselves to maximum -
I had that too, but I figured it was just factory defaults on those picture modes and after setting them to the levels I got when I calibrated the other inputs, I'd say it looks as good as it's going to get.Just need to watch more content now.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Chris Stott said:
Interestingly, with HDR content, my backlight level and contrast automatically set themselves to maximum -
I had that too, but I figured it was just factory defaults on those picture modes and after setting them to the levels I got when I calibrated the other inputs, I'd say it looks as good as it's going to get.Just need to watch more content now.
FurtiveFreddy said:
I had that too, but I figured it was just factory defaults on those picture modes and after setting them to the levels I got when I calibrated the other inputs, I'd say it looks as good as it's going to get.
Just need to watch more content now.
That's correct. It is how you get the range. Just need to watch more content now.
Here's some explanation of HDR...
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/12/high-dynami...
"If you transmit video (on disc, game, or streaming service) via the current, industry-wide HDTV standard, you're capped at a luminance maximum of around 100 nits. Your screen may be brighter than that, but this is where the current standard really stinks. In that case, the signal sends its luminance information as a percentage, not a pure luminance value. It's up to your set to translate that percentage, and the results can look, quite frankly, pretty awful. This is how viewers get blown-out colors and other glaring inaccuracies.
New HDR standards not only jack a pixel's luminance maximum up but also change the encoded value to a specific number, not a percentage. That's the first step to higher color quality on your fancy TV screen. Updating the luminance differential also updates a screen's color gamut"
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/12/high-dynami...
"If you transmit video (on disc, game, or streaming service) via the current, industry-wide HDTV standard, you're capped at a luminance maximum of around 100 nits. Your screen may be brighter than that, but this is where the current standard really stinks. In that case, the signal sends its luminance information as a percentage, not a pure luminance value. It's up to your set to translate that percentage, and the results can look, quite frankly, pretty awful. This is how viewers get blown-out colors and other glaring inaccuracies.
New HDR standards not only jack a pixel's luminance maximum up but also change the encoded value to a specific number, not a percentage. That's the first step to higher color quality on your fancy TV screen. Updating the luminance differential also updates a screen's color gamut"
creampuff said:
^ It's stressing me out, man! Big is beautiful. As is a £700 wedge in my wallet!
You are arguably buying the best TV ever made.The best way to describe it is you have bought yourself an M3, you could have bought yourself a 330d M-Sport and you would have probably enjoyed it, but you would have always wondered.....what if?
Plus with OLED you don't have to pay for expensive servicing and you have a fuel card, with those two covered would you have even looked at the 330d?
gizlaroc said:
You are arguably buying the best TV ever made.
The best way to describe it is you have bought yourself an M3, you could have bought yourself a 330d M-Sport and you would have probably enjoyed it, but you would have always wondered.....what if?
Plus with OLED you don't have to pay for expensive servicing and you have a fuel card, with those two covered would you have even looked at the 330d?
Hmmm not exactly the correct analogy, more like M3 vs 530d.The best way to describe it is you have bought yourself an M3, you could have bought yourself a 330d M-Sport and you would have probably enjoyed it, but you would have always wondered.....what if?
Plus with OLED you don't have to pay for expensive servicing and you have a fuel card, with those two covered would you have even looked at the 330d?
The M3 is clearly the better car but it's more expensive, depreciates a lot and if you need the extra size then you've no choice but to go for the latter!
creampuff said:
^ It's stressing me out, man! Big is beautiful. As is a £700 wedge in my wallet!
For us we cant fit a 65 in anyhow.but omg the OLED is so so nice to watch.
dark room, credits roll, that perfect black , wow. So much detail and with hdr the colours etc its all so stunning.
it cost me about £3k for it here and worth it, worthy replacement for the pany plasma
Well, we've had it set up for almost two months now, and in that time, I have not once thought, hmm, perhaps I made a mistake and wish I'd have spent a lot less on a bigger LED screen. Everyone who has visited, without exception, has mentioned how great the picture is on this TV as soon as they see it.
Can one of you chaps with a newish LG OLED tell me what they are like with football and the like?
Apparently a football moving on a pitch with the camera panning and the touchlines against the green is a pretty good indicator of a tv's motion capability.
Not to mention the fact I watch a fair bit of sport.
Am about to get one and just wanted to check this.
Apparently a football moving on a pitch with the camera panning and the touchlines against the green is a pretty good indicator of a tv's motion capability.
Not to mention the fact I watch a fair bit of sport.
Am about to get one and just wanted to check this.
I pressed the button on an LG 65" (non OLED 
)
Can't quite get used to the picture from a Panasonic plasma, but it does look incredibly detailed and the most surprising thing....the sound! It's actually very good!
Still fancy a sonos soundbar to accompany it, but that can wait.
Not the most fancy tv on the market, but happy as a pig in s
t. The smart tv aspect is very intuitive and easy to use.
)Can't quite get used to the picture from a Panasonic plasma, but it does look incredibly detailed and the most surprising thing....the sound! It's actually very good!
Still fancy a sonos soundbar to accompany it, but that can wait.
Not the most fancy tv on the market, but happy as a pig in s
t. The smart tv aspect is very intuitive and easy to use.swisstoni said:
Can one of you chaps with a newish LG OLED tell me what they are like with football and the like?
Apparently a football moving on a pitch with the camera panning and the touchlines against the green is a pretty good indicator of a tv's motion capability.
Not to mention the fact I watch a fair bit of sport.
Am about to get one and just wanted to check this.
No problem here, on BT so bit of Rugby and Football though the latter is more to see the quality, as it is a boring sport...... Apparently a football moving on a pitch with the camera panning and the touchlines against the green is a pretty good indicator of a tv's motion capability.
Not to mention the fact I watch a fair bit of sport.
Am about to get one and just wanted to check this.
BT pegs the data rate at 20mb I think?Different views to HD as well, wider angles I think?
TV's have to process pictures as well and some are better than others, this does seem solid even oil the frantic kerfuffles but I would be checking out the crowd as well as other bits of transitions (white on green or whatever), there is a lot of detail there to see any issues if you know where to look.
jmorgan said:
swisstoni said:
Can one of you chaps with a newish LG OLED tell me what they are like with football and the like?
Apparently a football moving on a pitch with the camera panning and the touchlines against the green is a pretty good indicator of a tv's motion capability.
Not to mention the fact I watch a fair bit of sport.
Am about to get one and just wanted to check this.
No problem here, on BT so bit of Rugby and Football though the latter is more to see the quality, as it is a boring sport...... Apparently a football moving on a pitch with the camera panning and the touchlines against the green is a pretty good indicator of a tv's motion capability.
Not to mention the fact I watch a fair bit of sport.
Am about to get one and just wanted to check this.
BT pegs the data rate at 20mb I think?Different views to HD as well, wider angles I think?
TV's have to process pictures as well and some are better than others, this does seem solid even oil the frantic kerfuffles but I would be checking out the crowd as well as other bits of transitions (white on green or whatever), there is a lot of detail there to see any issues if you know where to look.
CRT and Plasma screens are 'impulse' type, which means they flash up a picture, then another, then another as they get them even for a static image.
The human visual system is upset by sample and hold images, and the current low framerate means these images are pecieved as blurry even if each individual frame is sharp and transitions between them are very fast. Impulse type screens actually produce percieved sharper motion. The downside of these is limited brightness and flickering.
Short version? Even though OLED is technically very good at motion a plasma or CRT will seem better. If you really care you'd get an LCD capable of Black Frame Insertion to emulate an impulse-type display, otherwise you'll probably have to use motion processing to artificially raise the frame rate to give a good picture.
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