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Digitalize said:
I haven't had any issues like that. If you've got it setup disable Symplink or whatever it's called, HDMI-CEC and see if that does anything, sometimes HDMI control can trip things up. If the audio persists it suggests it's an issue between the amplifier and TV.
I've got CEC disabled and yes I agree it's more likely to be the Amp to TV HDMI connection that's the problem. I suppose next step would be to bypass the Amp and run the BD player direct to the TV to see if that solves it. Annoying that it's very random and I've only just finished tidying all the cabling!I was down to two screens - the Sony KD55XD9305BU (or possibly the KD65XD9305BU) and the LG OLED55B6V. The 55" Sony can be had for £1299 (the 65" for a chunkier £1949) and the LG for £1799.
I've been and seen both screens in-store - whilst not a perfect environment and neither screen will have been set up optimally, it does mean I've at least got some sort of yardstick. A lot of my content is 720 with some 1080 so I wanted to see how both screens handled a slightly lower-quality source - the Sony handled the 720 files slightly better than the LG in my opinion. With 4k they were both simply jaw-dropping and I couldn't put one ahead of the other in that regard. So far, it all points to the Sony as the best mix of quality and value.
Then I stumbled across the Hisense reviews; not a name I'd come across before but almost every single review seems to say the new ULED 7 Series is one of the best screens on the market at the moment - the 55" 55M7000 is just £689 (the 65" 65M78000 is £1,149) and reviews say they're pretty much as good picture-wise as the Sony, LG and Samsung panels. Very high praise for budget screens...
The Hisense M7000 was mentioned by another poster in this thread but either missed or ignored. The only things I see against it are that it misses out on Ultra HD Premium status as it's only 500 nits and not 1000, the remote's a bit basic and the Opera OS isn't quite as good as LG's WebOS and doesn't have the app flexibility of the Sony's Android-based system (and the Android OS on the Sony came in for a little stick from a couple of review sites as well).
Bottom line is that if the screen's as good as everywhere seems to say it is I think I might struggle to justify spending nearly twice the money on the Sony and nearly three times the amount on the LG.
One thing I do want to check is whether all three of the screens output audio from all sources/apps via their optical outs (I recall us having some issues with my brother's Samsung screen where certain smart features wouldn't output audio via the optical...?). I have an external soundcard (Creative X-Fi HD) which will allow me to run optical in (I currently run analogue from my Panasonic plasma).
In summary then, are there any compelling reasons why a Hisense doesn't make more....sense?
I've been and seen both screens in-store - whilst not a perfect environment and neither screen will have been set up optimally, it does mean I've at least got some sort of yardstick. A lot of my content is 720 with some 1080 so I wanted to see how both screens handled a slightly lower-quality source - the Sony handled the 720 files slightly better than the LG in my opinion. With 4k they were both simply jaw-dropping and I couldn't put one ahead of the other in that regard. So far, it all points to the Sony as the best mix of quality and value.
Then I stumbled across the Hisense reviews; not a name I'd come across before but almost every single review seems to say the new ULED 7 Series is one of the best screens on the market at the moment - the 55" 55M7000 is just £689 (the 65" 65M78000 is £1,149) and reviews say they're pretty much as good picture-wise as the Sony, LG and Samsung panels. Very high praise for budget screens...
The Hisense M7000 was mentioned by another poster in this thread but either missed or ignored. The only things I see against it are that it misses out on Ultra HD Premium status as it's only 500 nits and not 1000, the remote's a bit basic and the Opera OS isn't quite as good as LG's WebOS and doesn't have the app flexibility of the Sony's Android-based system (and the Android OS on the Sony came in for a little stick from a couple of review sites as well).
Bottom line is that if the screen's as good as everywhere seems to say it is I think I might struggle to justify spending nearly twice the money on the Sony and nearly three times the amount on the LG.
One thing I do want to check is whether all three of the screens output audio from all sources/apps via their optical outs (I recall us having some issues with my brother's Samsung screen where certain smart features wouldn't output audio via the optical...?). I have an external soundcard (Creative X-Fi HD) which will allow me to run optical in (I currently run analogue from my Panasonic plasma).
In summary then, are there any compelling reasons why a Hisense doesn't make more....sense?
Edited by Funk on Thursday 29th December 03:07
Without doubt, the positive reviews will be based on a huge screen at a 'bargain' price.
They're ok but still not a match for Pioneer or Panasonic plasmas (some available lightly used for £200-£300 on avforums - something like a 60" Panasonic ZT for £800 is where my cash would go if you're looking at anything less than £1000. If you already own a comparable set, keep it and add any number of media devices for 'smart' functionality).
Asda sell thousands of Polaroid TVs to happy customers.
If you honestly can't see what pure black OLED screens offer, your media will only ever be 1080 at best and you can't justify £1500 for the OLED (which is an absolute bargain in my opinion) then go for the set that fits your ideal quality/price.
If you go for the Hisense then don't go looking at OLEDs for a while
They're ok but still not a match for Pioneer or Panasonic plasmas (some available lightly used for £200-£300 on avforums - something like a 60" Panasonic ZT for £800 is where my cash would go if you're looking at anything less than £1000. If you already own a comparable set, keep it and add any number of media devices for 'smart' functionality).
Asda sell thousands of Polaroid TVs to happy customers.
If you honestly can't see what pure black OLED screens offer, your media will only ever be 1080 at best and you can't justify £1500 for the OLED (which is an absolute bargain in my opinion) then go for the set that fits your ideal quality/price.
If you go for the Hisense then don't go looking at OLEDs for a while
Digitalize said:
HiSense offer the best TV if their price is your absolute max budget, reality is most of the name brand TVs around that price and below are Chinese designs and panels with a name brand stuck on.
I'd like to see a 65M7000 in the flesh, once the grey scale has been setup correctly.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0ymP-v_7s0
I went and had another look at both the Sony and LG again yesterday and given that I'm no video/TV expert it seems to be very impressive for the money when compared with the LG and a useful £400 cheaper.
I asked a question of the 'Sony Expert' in Currys and he gave me the wrong answer so I wanted to ask you chaps here who seem quite a lot more knowledgeable! The question I asked him was whether the RCA analogue sockets on the back are input or output (which would mean I could easily run straight into my Cyrus 8vs2 amp). He said they were outputs and they're not, they're part of the component input after some further checking my end. So my question regards getting audio out is whether the optical output can output everything including the audio from the smart/apps part? If so then I can get a cheap DAC with optical in to stick into one of the spare inputs on the amp. I only need stereo at this stage so I could even live with taking the feed from the headphone output in the short term?
Do Sony TVs include Cinavia detection for streamed content via Plex etc?
I asked a question of the 'Sony Expert' in Currys and he gave me the wrong answer so I wanted to ask you chaps here who seem quite a lot more knowledgeable! The question I asked him was whether the RCA analogue sockets on the back are input or output (which would mean I could easily run straight into my Cyrus 8vs2 amp). He said they were outputs and they're not, they're part of the component input after some further checking my end. So my question regards getting audio out is whether the optical output can output everything including the audio from the smart/apps part? If so then I can get a cheap DAC with optical in to stick into one of the spare inputs on the amp. I only need stereo at this stage so I could even live with taking the feed from the headphone output in the short term?
Do Sony TVs include Cinavia detection for streamed content via Plex etc?
Edited by Funk on Sunday 1st January 15:48
Funnily enough-just left PC World having looked at the 65 inch Sony LED versus the 55 inch LGOLED
Both similar-ish money-around £1700.
The Sony looked amazing and even though the blacks were better on the OLED, the slightly reduced size took away some of the wow factor the Sony had.
Everything I watch comes from Netflix or Amazon (which I assume both TVs can stream directly?) Or from downloaded movies streamed off my PC hard drive (assume both have built-in DNLA facilities ?)
Really can't pick between them!!!!!
Both similar-ish money-around £1700.
The Sony looked amazing and even though the blacks were better on the OLED, the slightly reduced size took away some of the wow factor the Sony had.
Everything I watch comes from Netflix or Amazon (which I assume both TVs can stream directly?) Or from downloaded movies streamed off my PC hard drive (assume both have built-in DNLA facilities ?)
Really can't pick between them!!!!!
legzr1 said:
Almost all TVs I've looked at with 'smart' functions will output via toslink from all apps so probably safe to say the Sony will too.
Digital out into even the cheapest offboard DAC will be far,far better than analogue headphone out.
Cheers, fully agree on the quality aspect as long as it does output it through optical and not just HDMI ARC for example...Digital out into even the cheapest offboard DAC will be far,far better than analogue headphone out.
Tiggsy said:
Funnily enough-just left PC World having looked at the 65 inch Sony LED versus the 55 inch LGOLED
Both similar-ish money-around £1700.
The Sony looked amazing and even though the blacks were better on the OLED, the slightly reduced size took away some of the wow factor the Sony had.
Everything I watch comes from Netflix or Amazon (which I assume both TVs can stream directly?) Or from downloaded movies streamed off my PC hard drive (assume both have built-in DNLA facilities ?)
Really can't pick between them!!!!!
If you have the space for the 65" Sony then that'd probably swing it given the price difference between that and the LG is less than £200...Both similar-ish money-around £1700.
The Sony looked amazing and even though the blacks were better on the OLED, the slightly reduced size took away some of the wow factor the Sony had.
Everything I watch comes from Netflix or Amazon (which I assume both TVs can stream directly?) Or from downloaded movies streamed off my PC hard drive (assume both have built-in DNLA facilities ?)
Really can't pick between them!!!!!
I don't have space for the 65", it's too big for the room. The £400 saving on the 55" Sony covers the replacement dishwasher I've been looking at...
Edited by Funk on Sunday 1st January 16:41
Tiggsy said:
Everything I watch comes from Netflix or Amazon (which I assume both TVs can stream directly?) Or from downloaded movies streamed off my PC hard drive (assume both have built-in DNLA facilities ?)
I popped to Currys last night and picked up the Sony... Got it all set up last night and it looks superb even without having had a chance to tweak it yet. To that end, I'm not really sure what I'm doing on that front, is there an idiot's guide to making it look OK?
I need to get an optical cable and a converter to run it into the amp. Have found that Plex doesn't seem to like DTS 5.1 audio, I get video but no sound. As they're only 1080 I can run those through the PC which handles the sound but the TV Plex app won't make a peep. Works fine on most other stuff though.
Planning to pick up an Xbox One S as well.
I need to get an optical cable and a converter to run it into the amp. Have found that Plex doesn't seem to like DTS 5.1 audio, I get video but no sound. As they're only 1080 I can run those through the PC which handles the sound but the TV Plex app won't make a peep. Works fine on most other stuff though.
Planning to pick up an Xbox One S as well.
Edited by Funk on Wednesday 4th January 11:49
Funk said:
I popped to Currys last night and picked up the Sony... Got it all set up last night and it looks superb even without having had a chance to tweak it yet. To that end, I'm not really sure what I'm doing on that front, is there an idiot's guide to making it look OK?
You can get test patterns here:http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibrat...
(although it doesn't say how you actually use them but it's a start)
some more info here
https://www.avforums.com/PicturePerfect/
Generally speaking, you need to find the best preset, usually natural/cinema or something like that, then set the colour to the correct temperature (warm, cool, natural or whatever is correct on your TV) you want all the processing (edge enhancment, contrast enhancment, local dimming, noise reduction etc) off. You can now check the TV is not doing noise reduction, scaling, overscanning or anything else it should not be, there are patterns for this. Then set the brightness and contrast correctly (using a 'pluge' pattern), then put something on with skin shot under sunlight, and adjust the colour; take it too far down so everyone looks pale and ill, then too far up so everyone looks like they have a sunburn, then down again until it looks natural. You may now want to experiment with subtle image processing on to sort out juddering/blurring and also try any local dimming and see if you like it. Adjusting colour balance really needs extra tools, a colour filter at least unless it's obvious that reds are OK but green's are too high or something (pretty rare to be honest).
A quick search will probably take you to what someone else recommends, these are usually a fair starting point but everyone's panel is different.
Edited by varsas on Wednesday 4th January 13:38
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