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cliff123 said:
Is there, or, what is the difference between a:
Sony Bravia KDL40EX503
and a:
Sony Bravia KDL40EX503U
Both are lcd, both freeview hd, both 100hz. Any advice welcomed.
Thanks.
I'd guess at different colour and maybe meant for a different country or another slight differenceSony Bravia KDL40EX503
and a:
Sony Bravia KDL40EX503U
Both are lcd, both freeview hd, both 100hz. Any advice welcomed.
Thanks.
Agoogy said:
The Sony is an award winner but has now been found out as being crap for gamers...
The LG doesn't rate well if you google it.... but thta might be comparatively to other LEDs in which case it might still be better than LCD...
The Panasonic Plasma at the top of this thread seems a bargain, but no freeview...
No Freeview HD, just the regular variety.The LG doesn't rate well if you google it.... but thta might be comparatively to other LEDs in which case it might still be better than LCD...
The Panasonic Plasma at the top of this thread seems a bargain, but no freeview...
If you want HD then it's the G20, along with FreeSat too, and THX mode if you don't quite go the whole hog on ISF calibration.
That aside, for gaming needs, very few LCDs can hold a candle to the fast response of a plasma pixel cell, but the one slight drawback is phosphor trailing, which is something only a small number of people notice at the periphery of their vision.
So you'd be best to take the PS3 to a store, hook it up, and check you're one of the majority who aren't affected.
A high contrast fast paced game would highlight it best.
Assuming you don't see it, then the extra few £££ on the G20 will be forgotten in no time at all, as you just enjoy watching & playing on it.
Gingerbread Man said:
cliff123 said:
Is there, or, what is the difference between a:
Sony Bravia KDL40EX503
and a:
Sony Bravia KDL40EX503U
Both are lcd, both freeview hd, both 100hz. Any advice welcomed.
Thanks.
I'd guess at different colour and maybe meant for a different country or another slight differenceSony Bravia KDL40EX503
and a:
Sony Bravia KDL40EX503U
Both are lcd, both freeview hd, both 100hz. Any advice welcomed.
Thanks.
hornetrider said:
cliff123 said:
Is there, or, what is the difference between a:
Sony Bravia KDL40EX503
and a:
Sony Bravia KDL40EX503U
Both are lcd, both freeview hd, both 100hz. Any advice welcomed. Thanks.
Genuinely, do not get a Bravia LCD, whatever you do.Sony Bravia KDL40EX503
and a:
Sony Bravia KDL40EX503U
Both are lcd, both freeview hd, both 100hz. Any advice welcomed. Thanks.
G20 has THX mode, FreeSat HD, Neo panel, AR filter/coating, and VieraCAST - go to Panny's UK site, use the compare function to see the differences.
Dont be so self-depricating, but there's more than just what you can see at a glance, as I've pointed out - those extra features are part of the cost difference - whether you use them or not is part of the decision you'll use to decide if the extra £££ are justified or not.
Dont be so self-depricating, but there's more than just what you can see at a glance, as I've pointed out - those extra features are part of the cost difference - whether you use them or not is part of the decision you'll use to decide if the extra £££ are justified or not.
Thanks PJ...it makes my real world decision no easier... I've read the spec sheets and Panasonic make it obvious the desirability of such things as THX and NeoPDP etc... the kind of details your typical tech savvy bloke hoovers up and anticipates with relish...
But I'm still drawn by the reviews whereby both get 5 stars repeatedly....
I think I have gone as far as I can with desktop research and gathering opinion....I'm simply going to have to have them side by side in a showroom...
Thanks for your input though....
invaluable.
But I'm still drawn by the reviews whereby both get 5 stars repeatedly....
I think I have gone as far as I can with desktop research and gathering opinion....I'm simply going to have to have them side by side in a showroom...
Thanks for your input though....
invaluable.Viewing is one thing, and a worthwhile one to undertake, but the extra features can be dealt with in absence of having the TVs in front of you.
Let's deal with them:
Neo PDP - a newer display with improved energy requirements and contrast ratio.
VieraCAST - are you likely to hook up the TV to the router and watch YouTube, etc that it provides?
If not, then it's a redundant feature, offering no incentive to opt for the G over the X, all else being equal.
FreeSat HD (& Freeview HD in 2012) - will you buy and fit a Sat dish to make use of the decoder in-built and signal being broadcast? If you might, then that alone could swing the decision.
THX mode - gets very close to an ISF calibrated display, saving £300+ if you're into your movies.
If DVD/BR movies aren't something you'll bother with much, then a well tweaked X20 Cinema mode will give you much pleasure for the bulk of your viewing.
AR filter/coating - increases contrast ratio, and reduces the screen acting like a dark mirror. Might prove desirable to not have the Xmas tree lights seen on the screen, distracting you.
Full HD vs HD Ready - if BR movies aren't in the frame, then a Full HD with its 1080 vertical pixel count won't be of use, and even then, you need to be close enough to be able to see the extra info.
That said, the scaling of 540 signals (DVD/SD broadcast) is very good from typical viewing distance, so the better black level/CR and the rest above may override the concern about benefiting from the extra pixel density.
So going through all that, can help you decide which one is the more suitable.
Let's deal with them:
Neo PDP - a newer display with improved energy requirements and contrast ratio.
VieraCAST - are you likely to hook up the TV to the router and watch YouTube, etc that it provides?
If not, then it's a redundant feature, offering no incentive to opt for the G over the X, all else being equal.
FreeSat HD (& Freeview HD in 2012) - will you buy and fit a Sat dish to make use of the decoder in-built and signal being broadcast? If you might, then that alone could swing the decision.
THX mode - gets very close to an ISF calibrated display, saving £300+ if you're into your movies.
If DVD/BR movies aren't something you'll bother with much, then a well tweaked X20 Cinema mode will give you much pleasure for the bulk of your viewing.
AR filter/coating - increases contrast ratio, and reduces the screen acting like a dark mirror. Might prove desirable to not have the Xmas tree lights seen on the screen, distracting you.
Full HD vs HD Ready - if BR movies aren't in the frame, then a Full HD with its 1080 vertical pixel count won't be of use, and even then, you need to be close enough to be able to see the extra info.
That said, the scaling of 540 signals (DVD/SD broadcast) is very good from typical viewing distance, so the better black level/CR and the rest above may override the concern about benefiting from the extra pixel density.
So going through all that, can help you decide which one is the more suitable.
given this thread exists, it seem churlish to start another similar one, so :
for the sole use of watching dvd's at approx. 14ft viewing distance, what january sale deals should i be looking at?
current dvd player is dying so will likely be upgraded at the same time. audio would be handled via current stereo amp. and the room is my bedroom so no chance of going 5:1 at a later date. i'd prefer the biggest screen i can get.
the 42" and 50" vieras at RS look a good start, i'll be popping in this week. budget depends on how many other shiny things distract me in the sales but £3-500 seems a nice target
TIA
for the sole use of watching dvd's at approx. 14ft viewing distance, what january sale deals should i be looking at?
current dvd player is dying so will likely be upgraded at the same time. audio would be handled via current stereo amp. and the room is my bedroom so no chance of going 5:1 at a later date. i'd prefer the biggest screen i can get.
the 42" and 50" vieras at RS look a good start, i'll be popping in this week. budget depends on how many other shiny things distract me in the sales but £3-500 seems a nice target
TIA
Not to sound like a G20 fanboy or anything, but take a look at the Panasonic TXP 50G20B - I went back to Costco for one to put in another room after I brought my 42 home, albeit picking up an S20 by mistake and having to return it - not before explaining to the salesboy why I didn't want a samsung LED!
£900 ish and it's superb. 14 feet is quite some viewing distance but it should be fine - I'm 12 feet away from the 50, and 7 away from the 42 for reference and both are spot on.
Also picked up a Panasonic home entertainment system to go with it, basically comprises of a 5.1 sound system (albeit a crude one) and a blue-ray player. Works better than expected for the 200 or so quid it cost - albeit not a patch on a proper setup.
Worth noting if you're looking for a DVD player that if you keep it panasonic you can use VieraLink - TV remote can control both and setup takes nothing more than a button press
£900 ish and it's superb. 14 feet is quite some viewing distance but it should be fine - I'm 12 feet away from the 50, and 7 away from the 42 for reference and both are spot on.
Also picked up a Panasonic home entertainment system to go with it, basically comprises of a 5.1 sound system (albeit a crude one) and a blue-ray player. Works better than expected for the 200 or so quid it cost - albeit not a patch on a proper setup.
Worth noting if you're looking for a DVD player that if you keep it panasonic you can use VieraLink - TV remote can control both and setup takes nothing more than a button press
PJ S said:
Neo PDP - a newer display with improved energy requirements and contrast ratio.
seems to be the main thing for me that 42G20 has over the 37X80, a very nice to have but coming from LCD, any plamsa black will be a step up right...PJ S said:
VieraCAST - are you likely to hook up the TV to the router and watch YouTube, etc that it provides?
If not, then it's a redundant feature, offering no incentive to opt for the G over the X, all else being equal.
Not interested, although the imminent Skype feature sounds goodIf not, then it's a redundant feature, offering no incentive to opt for the G over the X, all else being equal.
PJ S said:
FreeSat HD (& Freeview HD in 2012) - will you buy and fit a Sat dish to make use of the decoder in-built and signal being broadcast? If you might, then that alone could swing the decision.
I think the block I'm moving into has a dish....not massively bothered though..PJ S said:
THX mode - gets very close to an ISF calibrated display, saving £300+ if you're into your movies.
If DVD/BR movies aren't something you'll bother with much, then a well tweaked X20 Cinema mode will give you much pleasure for the bulk of your viewing.
Have PS3 for BR, love films and have a Sony STRDH810 with Kef 1005 ready to plug in...If DVD/BR movies aren't something you'll bother with much, then a well tweaked X20 Cinema mode will give you much pleasure for the bulk of your viewing.
PJ S said:
AR filter/coating - increases contrast ratio, and reduces the screen acting like a dark mirror. Might prove desirable to not have the Xmas tree lights seen on the screen, distracting you.
sounds okPJ S said:
Full HD vs HD Ready - if BR movies aren't in the frame, then a Full HD with its 1080 vertical pixel count won't be of use, and even then, you need to be close enough to be able to see the extra info.
That said, the scaling of 540 signals (DVD/SD broadcast) is very good from typical viewing distance, so the better black level/CR and the rest above may override the concern about benefiting from the extra pixel density.
As above this will primarily be an evening only TV...so the odd broadcast, but mainly BR movies and gaming...That said, the scaling of 540 signals (DVD/SD broadcast) is very good from typical viewing distance, so the better black level/CR and the rest above may override the concern about benefiting from the extra pixel density.
So whats thats supposed to tell me is that the extra £300 is well spent....isn't it.... dammit...
Going to RS tomorrow....Sainsburys have the 42G20B for £629...see if RS can match that, no-one beats them for the 37" plasma..... thing is will they have one, both or neithger in stoick for me to see??!!.....
Edited by Agoogy on Monday 27th December 18:25
I'd bet they'll have a G20 on the wall - they certainly did in Bristol and you could see it was measurably better than the LG next to it despite the salesman's insistence to the contrary.
Never seen a 37X20 on a wall in RS but you might be lucky. Remember though with these TVs it's ALL about the source. Good luck!
Never seen a 37X20 on a wall in RS but you might be lucky. Remember though with these TVs it's ALL about the source. Good luck!
Agoogy - on the basis of BR and gaming (THX & Game modes) then if you can view 1080p output at 6' distance, you'll appreciate the extra detail encoded on the discs.
X20 only really makes sense as a stopgap TV for a 50" model in a few years time, which may be 3D enabled depending on media and tech making it the must-have feature.
I doubt it will, as even BR is still to pervade every home, which might never happen with video rentals over broadband being something that appeals more?
The next 3-5 years are going to be quite interesting on both that and the 3D development/uptake front.
X20 only really makes sense as a stopgap TV for a 50" model in a few years time, which may be 3D enabled depending on media and tech making it the must-have feature.
I doubt it will, as even BR is still to pervade every home, which might never happen with video rentals over broadband being something that appeals more?
The next 3-5 years are going to be quite interesting on both that and the 3D development/uptake front.
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