Louis Theroux: Miami Mega Jail
Discussion
What does this boot camp aim to instil in these kids? Isn't it just likely make them resent authority even more?
The only way I can see it working is if the same people who are yelling orders also take the time to try and relate with them and build trust in them. Surely 6 months of nothing but drills is just gonna make them feel worthless and hence more resentful and bitter, surely?
The only way I can see it working is if the same people who are yelling orders also take the time to try and relate with them and build trust in them. Surely 6 months of nothing but drills is just gonna make them feel worthless and hence more resentful and bitter, surely?
HurryUpAndWait said:
The 14 year old who quit 6 months of boot camp for 10 years in prison... Jesus, that's f
ked up. And by the time he's out, he has zero chance of a normal life. Very sad.
Dont think he really understands what he has ahead of him. He thinks quitting boot camp is the easy way out.ked up. And by the time he's out, he has zero chance of a normal life. Very sad.HurryUpAndWait said:
The 14 year old who quit 6 months of boot camp for 10 years in prison... Jesus, that's fked up. And by the time he's out, he has zero chance of a normal life. Very sad.
All based on an irrational split second decision when he was feeling angry and his emotions were all over the shop. No doubt he'll sit down once he's calmed down and realise the gravity of it!ked up. And by the time he's out, he has zero chance of a normal life. Very sad.That kid just demonstrates how messed up the US system is, trying him as an adult and giving 10 years. Patrick the boot camp guy looks like he's just doing what he needs to do to get out, I wouldn't be surprised if he found himself back in jail after being released. It's also pretty harsh how even if someone changes they'll never get a chance, that guy who wrote the novels seemed to be making an effort to improve himself but it all seems in vain.
Bedazzled said:
Insightful of Louis to spot the people who pass Boot Camp are the most adaptable rather than the most reformed. Glad they are trying something, but it didn't seem to be the best method of rehabilitation. Sad, rather than scary, this week.
Agree on both counts. When he asked the fella who'd flown through boot camp if he found it hard, he just responded that being shouted at isn't particularly bad. I guess when the alternatives are fighting on level 6 or fighting / shooting on the streets, he has a point, and is smart enough to realise it.GABOS
Agree with both points above, to me it seemed like the boot camp was just a mix of harsh discipline and glorified brainwashing, such as forcing someone to list 18 leadership qualities while virtualy screaming at them- the inmates are just blindly repeating what they have been spoon fed. They probably don't believe in, or even care what they are saying.
No less dehumanising in some ways than prison, and I have doubts as to how effective this is long or even medium term. I missed the first few minutes so perhaps they mentioned some data being available on re-offending of people completing the full program in a particular age group?
From the outside looking in Louis assesment seemed correct- completing the bootcamp is more a sign of adapting to temporary circumstances than any change in mentality.
I liked the part with the prisoner who claimed to have written six novels and then showed Louis one called 'get money and stop hating'
No less dehumanising in some ways than prison, and I have doubts as to how effective this is long or even medium term. I missed the first few minutes so perhaps they mentioned some data being available on re-offending of people completing the full program in a particular age group?
From the outside looking in Louis assesment seemed correct- completing the bootcamp is more a sign of adapting to temporary circumstances than any change in mentality.
I liked the part with the prisoner who claimed to have written six novels and then showed Louis one called 'get money and stop hating'
the boot camp helps with anger management.
if you can manage to stay calm through all the shouting ect then your less likely to fly off the handle in real like situations.
its about self discipline and most of these lads have none before boot camp.
it might seem funny to some but the break em down and rebuild them method is how pretty much all armed forces train people, not because it is harsh but because it works.
if you can manage to stay calm through all the shouting ect then your less likely to fly off the handle in real like situations.
its about self discipline and most of these lads have none before boot camp.
it might seem funny to some but the break em down and rebuild them method is how pretty much all armed forces train people, not because it is harsh but because it works.
Halb said:
I thought that as well, we don't often see Louis show anything, he is almost the perfect reporter...but in my mind he was definitely on edge and concerned in parts of that doc.
I'd be scared myself, but realistically I guess the risk is very minimal. Majority of the guys in there are plain criminals, not psychopaths, they might be in there for murder etc but 99% it would have been murder for a reason - gang war, robbery gone wrong etc. There is no benefit to any of them to harm an unarmed journalist who isn't a fellow prisoner (and he probably had several guards behind the camera anyway)One thing that interested me was when he was in the cell with the black guy and was being asked about fighting, sure I heard him ask Louis if he was a "nigga" - can white guys be a "nigga" if you prove yourself?
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