Louis Theroux: Miami Mega Jail

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EDLT

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205 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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Marf said:
Average of 100 offences? ok.
Reading it back that bit probably wasn't right :P but still our chavs seem to be able to rack up a dozen crimes before going to prison the first time.

Thom987

3,185 posts

165 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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Steve126 said:
Thom987 said:
Just caught the last few minutes of this, is it repeated during the week? I cant access the iplayer.
Monday BBC2 11.20pm
Thanks.

Marf

22,907 posts

240 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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EDLT said:
Marf said:
Average of 100 offences? ok.
Reading it back that bit probably wasn't right :P but still our chavs seem to be able to rack up a dozen crimes before going to prison the first time.
True enough. Still, that doesnt tell me the american remand/prison system is the answer. As for three strikes...

zac510

5,546 posts

205 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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HurryUpAndWait said:
I found the whole thing deeply harrowing. There is simply no excuse for treating other innocent (until proven guilty) human beings in such a savage and inhumane way. And given the amount of crime, shirley such a system as exists in the US has proven itself not to work, at least as a deterrent.

I also agree with something Louis hinted at, that the behaviour is in large part a learned behaviour - the 'code' becomes self-fulfilling. Any innocent person upon finding themselves in such a detention centre would surely come out a deeply disturbed individual, and one who then has the propensity to commit crime when they otherwise wouldn't.
The guards seem to be unintentionally in on it too and when Louis questioned the guard his response was that they need a $600m jail? The guards have given up on them already.

JM

3,170 posts

205 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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Shay HTFC said:
Seems like hes the kid at school who held all his anger in and kept quiet then randomly went schitz when the final straw came.
Yea, and now he is staying in jail to hopefully let it calm down and hope the people he is accused of trying to kill (2 females) forget about it or/and move away.

I think he might have a chance with the insanity plea.


Ooh, just a thought, why was he moved to the 'bad' jail, from the nice jail? Authorities trying to frighten him into going to trial??

honest_delboy

1,498 posts

199 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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I really don't want to go to prison ever. Louis looked a little worried at some points, the sound and cameraman must've been making fudge in their boxers.

The fella who was a trustee was literate and quite affable, shocked me somewhat.

"gunning" for guards, i do hope they get paid alot of money to put up with that but in reality they probably won't/

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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from overclockers..

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=...

bottom of page..

he does sound like a nutter

HowMuchLonger

3,003 posts

192 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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BrabusMog said:
That nerd is in for a tough time!
We felt sorry for him initially. Then when he basically admitted to murder/attempted murder all I could see was a young psycho.

Marf

22,907 posts

240 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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Perhaps I'm stating the obvious here, but anyway, is everyone in this thread fully aware that the place he visited was not a prison?

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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Marf said:
Perhaps I'm stating the obvious here, but anyway, is everyone in this thread fully aware that the place he visited was not a prison?
yes a jail but prison and gaols are now so synonymous with each other, the words can be somewhat interchangable.

Marf

22,907 posts

240 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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black pipebandit said:
Marf said:
Perhaps I'm stating the obvious here, but anyway, is everyone in this thread fully aware that the place he visited was not a prison?
yes a jail but prison and gaols are now so synonymous with each other, the words can be somewhat interchangable.
I don't agree.

In the US prison is for convicts, jail is not.

Prison=Prison
Jail=Remand

The fact that their system treats people awaiting trial like this makes repeat offending a self fulfilling prophecy in my book.

garrykiller

5,670 posts

157 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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HowMuchLonger said:
BrabusMog said:
That nerd is in for a tough time!
We felt sorry for him initially. Then when he basically admitted to murder/attempted murder all I could see was a young psycho.
he was clearly completely messed up! he looked like a proper psycho when he met him second time round!

g4ry13

16,887 posts

254 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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Is Part 2 next week same time?

killsta

1,722 posts

227 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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Bedazzled said:
According to Google, as well as people awaiting trial, jails are also used to house people convicted of misdemeanors (those convicted of a felony are sent to state prisons), and people who have been convicted and are awaiting transport to prison.

It does seem shocking that someone can be arrested and locked up in a place like that, but they have been charged or indicted, based on sufficient evidence for probable cause, I doubt many of those we saw last night are 'innocent'. The length of time they had to wait for trial was pretty eye opening, though.
On the other hand, I bet there's plenty that have been charged on pretty ropey evidence and then found innocent at trial. Yet they'd still have to stay there!

HurryUpAndWait

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202 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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Marf said:
The fact that their system treats people awaiting trial like this makes repeat offending a self fulfilling prophecy in my book.
yes

130R

6,807 posts

205 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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I watched this too, f*ck ending up in there! As I understand it you could get put in county jail for a misdemeanor? So get arrested for something like public drunkenness and the next thing you know you're fighting bubba to the death over who gets the bottom bunk eek

garrykiller

5,670 posts

157 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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130R said:
I watched this too, f*ck ending up in there! As I understand it you could get put in county jail for a misdemeanor? So get arrested for something like public drunkenness and the next thing you know you're fighting bubba to the death over who gets the bottom bunk eek
i think you need to do a little more to end up in a maximum security jail! all of them he had spoken to had more crimes against there names than nights they had spent outside the place!

130R

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205 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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garrykiller said:
i think you need to do a little more to end up in a maximum security jail! all of them he had spoken to had more crimes against there names than nights they had spent outside the place!
I'd hope so too but wasn't there one guy (who'd just been battered) that said he was in there for driving with a suspended license? He may have been lying of course ..

garrykiller

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157 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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130R said:
'd hope so too but wasn't there one guy (who'd just been battered) that said he was in there for driving with a suspended license? He may have been lying of course ..
the guy was a snitch he was talking up his corner.

g4ry13

16,887 posts

254 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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So how about that guy that ended up on crutches? I actually empathised with him up to the extortion bit, he seemed fairly decent and was just playing the game he was forced to.