Louis Theroux: Miami Mega Jail

[youngsyr]

garrykiller said:

130R said:

I watched this too, f*ck ending up in there! As I understand it you could get put in county jail for a misdemeanor? So get arrested for something like public drunkenness and the next thing you know you're fighting bubba to the death over who gets the bottom bunk

i think you need to do a little more to end up in a maximum security jail! all of them he had spoken to had more crimes against there names than nights they had spent outside the place!

Even the guy who had "allegedly" shot two women multiple times in an unprovoked, but planned attack had apparently only been moved to it from a softer prison after someone accused him of trying to escape.

I believe he goes to San Quentin, the maximum security prison in California during one of the upcoming episodes - should be interesting to compare.

[Fittster]

garrykiller said:

130R said:

'd hope so too but wasn't there one guy (who'd just been battered) that said he was in there for driving with a suspended license? He may have been lying of course ..

the guy was a snitch he was talking up his corner.

How can you be sure of that?

[killsta]

g4ry13 said:

So how about that guy that ended up on crutches? I actually empathised with him up to the extortion bit, he seemed fairly decent and was just playing the game he was forced to.

Did you not hear the bit where he was asked about his priors? Armed home invasion, armed auto theft, armed robbery?

[oobster]

Wasn't the whole idea behind the lengthy delay that the accussed WANTED to delay things as long as possible so that potential witnesses might become unavailable, allegiances would shift etc.

I assumed the idea behind it was: Probably guilty of the crime, spend 3-4 years 'on remand', go up to court (eventually) and get found not guilty (or the charges dropped) because a vital witness has died, changed their mind/story or has moved away and can't be contacted?

[killsta]

oobster said:

Wasn't the whole idea behind the lengthy delay that the accussed WANTED to delay things as long as possible so that potential witnesses might become unavailable, allegiances would shift etc.

I assumed the idea behind it was: Probably guilty of the crime, spend 3-4 years 'on remand', go up to court (eventually) and get found not guilty (or the charges dropped) because a vital witness has died, changed their mind/story or has moved away and can't be contacted?

[cynical]Or gives their gangster mates on the outside a chance to find the witness and brutally murder them before the trial date[/cynical]

[130R]

youngsyr said:

I believe he goes to San Quentin, the maximum security prison in California during one of the upcoming episodes - should be interesting to compare.

San Quentin is about as bad as it gets I believe. It hosts California's death row and it's full of gang members.

[Laurel Green]

oobster said:

Wasn't the whole idea behind the lengthy delay that the accussed WANTED to delay things as long as possible so that potential witnesses might become unavailable, allegiances would shift etc.

I assumed the idea behind it was: Probably guilty of the crime, spend 3-4 years 'on remand', go up to court (eventually) and get found not guilty (or the charges dropped) because a vital witness has died, changed their mind/story or has moved away and can't be contacted?

Yup! That's the way their system works. Anyone not guilty of a charge, would get their case to court as quickly as possible.

[BrabusMog]

130R said:

youngsyr said:

I believe he goes to San Quentin, the maximum security prison in California during one of the upcoming episodes - should be interesting to compare.

San Quentin is about as bad as it gets I believe. It hosts California's death row and it's full of gang members.

He's already done the San Quentin one. That place seemed a bit different to Miami - a different kind of scary.

The thing that gets me the most is how much more intelligent/eloquent they sound when compared with British criminals. Apart from that guy who liked tossing off to the female guards they all seemed far more intelligent than the guys in Strangeways.

[Marf]

BrabusMog said:

The thing that gets me the most is how much more intelligent/eloquent they sound when compared with British criminals. Apart from that guy who liked tossing off to the female guards they all seemed far more intelligent than the guys in Strangeways.

Guy on crutches and guy with glasses aside, who on earth do you mean?! Most of em sounded like your run of the mill "brap brap innit doe blud" types we get over here.

[Raoul Duke]

Would love to see how that character at Strangeways who claimed he couldn't walk and seemed to be forever carrying out a dirty protest, would be dealt with by the 'homies?

[BrabusMog]

Marf said:

Guy on crutches and guy with glasses aside, who on earth do you mean?! Most of em sounded like your run of the mill "brap brap innit doe blud" types we get over here.

Yes, I agree in essence. When they are alone i.e. not being interviewed behind bars with all their pals, they ARE much more intelligent sounding. If you watch the one in San Quentin where most people were interviewed in isolation they sound a lot better educated than the Strangeways lot. Watch it next week, I'm sure you'll find the same.

And I'm not just going on how they speak, but what they say. These lot can (rightly or wrongly) justify what they are doing, not always blaming it on the "code", whereas the Strangeways lot would just shrug their shoulders and say, "I dunno, mate."

That's my take on it anyway.

Also, keep up - the boy witht glasses is referred to as a nerd on this thread

[Laurel Green]

Raoul Duke said:

Would love to see how that character at Strangeways who claimed he couldn't walk and seemed to be forever carrying out a dirty protest, would be dealt with by the 'homies?

Now that is something I'd pay good money to see.

[Marf]

BrabusMog said:

Also, keep up - the boy witht glasses is referred to as a nerd on this thread

pot-ay-to po-tah-to

[g4ry13]

killsta said:

g4ry13 said:

So how about that guy that ended up on crutches? I actually empathised with him up to the extortion bit, he seemed fairly decent and was just playing the game he was forced to.

Did you not hear the bit where he was asked about his priors? Armed home invasion, armed auto theft, armed robbery?

Sure, but I think unlike others he probably had some remorse for the things he's done and is getting tired of being in and out of the system and wants to make a change.

[g4ry13]

130R said:

youngsyr said:

I believe he goes to San Quentin, the maximum security prison in California during one of the upcoming episodes - should be interesting to compare.

San Quentin is about as bad as it gets I believe. It hosts California's death row and it's full of gang members.

Hasn't he already done San Quentin in the documentary he did on jails?

[grayr]

130R said:

I watched this too, f*ck ending up in there! As I understand it you could get put in county jail for a misdemeanor? So get arrested for something like public drunkenness and the next thing you know you're fighting bubba to the death over who gets the bottom bunk

I reckon this ain't too good for Miami tourism, that'd be a holiday from hell if you ended up there.... it made Banged up Abroad look not so bad.

Unless I had seen it, I honestly could not have believed that that was the justice system in Florida.

[HurryUpAndWait]

Amazing what you can find on the internet nowadays...

Nianthony Martinez aka the geek

[killsta]

HurryUpAndWait said:

Amazing what you can find on the internet nowadays...

Nianthony Martinez aka the geek

Website said:

1.Murder 1st Degree 2 CntsCounts: 2Bond: $0.00
2. Firearm/Use, Display While Committing A Felony 2 Cnts Counts: 2 Bond: $0.00
3. Murder 1st Degree/Conspire 2 Cnts Counts: 2 Bond: $0.00

Someone's been a naughty boy

[youngsyr]

HurryUpAndWait said:

Amazing what you can find on the internet nowadays...

Nianthony Martinez aka the geek

You could have found it 5 hours ago if you'd have followed the links on this thread.

[youngsyr]

killsta said:

HurryUpAndWait said:

Amazing what you can find on the internet nowadays...

Nianthony Martinez aka the geek

Website said:

1.Murder 1st Degree 2 CntsCounts: 2Bond: $0.00
2. Firearm/Use, Display While Committing A Felony 2 Cnts Counts: 2 Bond: $0.00
3. Murder 1st Degree/Conspire 2 Cnts Counts: 2 Bond: $0.00

Someone's been a naughty boy

Not to talk down the severity of the crime, but the victims didn't die, did they? The press article linked on page 4 says that they were severely injured and drove away, also that they were charged with attempted first degree murder?